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re: Pels get the #1 pick, who would you want to draft?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:40 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:40 pm to Fun Bunch
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Obviously, but you missed the first part.
If you have guys rated evenly, fit is something you consider. Among other things.
I PERSONALLY don't have Banchero rated as high as Jabari or Chet.
However, with the right team, he could be really great. I don't see us as that team.
I don't disagree with you, but I would be willing to bet teams don't have guys rated evenly. They're probably opinionated enough where they can separate the top two to four players available on their board. At least at the tip top, it may become a bit more of a log jam further down the list you get.
I'd be interested in knowing who you have at 3/4 and beyond if you don't have Banchero there. I personally have him #1, but totally understand if you have one of Chet and/or Smith ahead of him, but I don't think there's a case for anyone else.
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 1:41 pm
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Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:40 pm to Fun Bunch
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Banchero wouldn't be in my top 3. Possibly not top 4.
Why?
the more i look into him the more i like him at #1. I'm not worried about his 3 point shot as i think with better shot selection he'll be alright there. I like his handle, vision, and ability to use his body to get the shot he wants. He likes the mid range shot, and while that shot is not one that is taken much in the regular season, it's an extremely important shot to be able to make in the playoffs.
but to be honest, i really don't feel great about picking anyone at #1.
The expectation with the #1 pick is you are taking a guy that is going to be on a near all star level by the end of his 2nd year, and i just don't see that from any of the top prospects. Obviously someone is going to be that guy, but there's no clear cut #1.
We shouldn't be a day away from the draft lottery and no one knows who the #1 pick is going to be, and you could easily say it could be 4 guys, Chet/Jabari/Banchero/Ivey, and you can easily find mocks that have Davis or Murray or Sharpe or Griffin in the top 5.
The other thing about taking a guy in the top 4, is they typically are going to expect to start in year 1, and i'm not sure that's going to be something we would do. You saw how that pissed Lamelo off, even though he never publicly said anything about it, but i'm pretty sure Lamelo indirectly had a lot to do with why they just fired their coach.
I mean i would assume if we drafted a guy that absolutely had to start, then Herb would be the guy to come off the bench, but if he improves his 3 point shot even just a little bit, he deserves to be a starter on any team in the league.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Why?
He doesn't impress me at all. I don't see it.
I will not claim to be an expert AT ALL like some do (chuckles), but he is incredibly unimpressive for a supposed top prospect.
And him next to Zion makes no sense whatsoever.
If we were in a position to draft him and we do, I would trust our FO.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 1:50 pm to TeddyPadillac
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We shouldn't be a day away from the draft lottery and no one knows who the #1 pick is going to be
Have you really not caught on that Jabari Smith is going to go 1.1?
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:00 pm to Fun Bunch
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If you have guys rated evenly, fit is something you consider. Among other things.
This is my thinking in posing the question. This year I just don’t see a consensus guy that you just take as head and shoulder the BPA. If the Pels do see such a guy I definitely hope they take him without regard for the current roster make up.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:07 pm to ned nederlander
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This year I just don’t see a consensus guy
Jabari is pretty much consensus at this point and likely will be once the draft roles around.
However I could see a team like OKC wanting Chet.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:12 pm to Fun Bunch
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He doesn't impress me at all. I don't see it.
I will not claim to be an expert AT ALL like some do (chuckles), but he is incredibly unimpressive for a supposed top prospect.
And him next to Zion makes no sense whatsoever.
If we were in a position to draft him and we do, I would trust our FO.
No disrespect, but I have trouble understanding this. He's the most impressive offensive guy in this draft for me. He's going to be a 25+ pt a night guy, and he's got a good bit of playmaking upside. The fact that he does what he does at 6'10 and 250 is even more impressive. I think he's a wing in the league personally.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:14 pm to Lester Earl
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Have you really not caught on that Jabari Smith is going to go 1.1?
uhhhhh no. what would make me think that?
Here's who the mocks have going #1
CBS Sports: Chet (was Banchero but they just updated it to Chet)
NBADraft.net: Ivey
The Ringer: Chet
SI: Jabari
Tankathon: Chet
NBA Draft Room: Jabari
Bleacher Report: Banchero
ESPN: Chet
NBCSPorts: Jabari
SportsNaut: Banchero
USAToday: Banchero
BasketballNews: Jabari
MyNBADraft: Chet
8points9seconds: Banchero
247sports: Chet
Yahoo: Chet
SBNation: Banchero
SportingNews: Chet
Now there will be some adjustments to this by next week once these workouts are done this week, but i doubt anything becomes clearer at #1 considering none of those top guys are going to do anything at this combine.
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Don't expect Holmgren, Smith or Banchero to do much of anything in Chicago -- not even conduct team interviews -- as they will have plenty of time to meet with whichever top-three teams their respective camps decide on once the draft order is set.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:15 pm to CP3forMVP
We’d be lucky to have anyone of those guys. You dudes are awfully picky for a fan base of a team that is currently sitting at the 8th spot. 
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:17 pm to CP3forMVP
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No disrespect, but I have trouble understanding this
K
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He's the most impressive offensive guy in this draft for me
Jabari looks pretty impressive offensively to me
This post was edited on 5/16/22 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:36 pm to TeddyPadillac
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uhhhhh no. what would make me think that?
Smith has been the betting favorite in Vegas since March lol
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:44 pm to CP3forMVP
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He's going to be a 25+ pt a night guy
Idk. He had a high usage & given his size & skill, should have lived at the line in college.
He will have to turn the corner there, get 6-7 FTA per game & become a better 3pt shooter.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 2:45 pm to Fun Bunch
Jabari was a spot up shooter at Auburn. He was pretty ineffective putting the ball on the floor and driving into the paint and/or creating for himself. When he got to the rim he was a pretty poor finisher, and didn't show much as a creator for others (2 asts per game vs 1.9 turns). The real fascination with Jabari is what he can do defensively. I'm not gonna say he wasn't impressive offensively, because the three point shooting, the one to two dribble stuff, and the fade aways are super impressive. But in terms of most impressive guys offensively in this draft he probably isn't on that list.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:05 pm to Lester Earl
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dk. He had a high usage & given his size & skill, should have lived at the line in college.
He will have to turn the corner there, get 6-7 FTA per game & become a better 3pt shooter.
Guys just don't really live at the line in college. Look at recent high draft picks from Duke.
Zion Williamson: 6 fta's per
Jayson Tatum: 5 fta's per
RJ Barrett: 6 fta's per
Brandon Ingram: 5 fta's per
Jabari Parker: 6 fta's per
Cam Reddish: 3 fta's per
Justice Winslow: 4 fta's per
Paolo Banchero: 5 fta's per
Paolo is in line with all those guys, and he will see more attempts at the line in the NBA because it's a different game, just like all those guys did. At least the ones that didn't bust.
Another thing I found interesting regarding Paolo, scoring from two. Aside from Zion, who's just a complete outlier and different, Paolo finished better from two than any of these guys. And he's a guy that relies on his midrange game, but is a fantastic finisher when he does get to the rim because of his size, length, and athleticism.
Zion Williamson: 75%
Jayson Tatum: 50%
RJ Barrett: 53%
Brandon Ingram: 46%
Jabari Parker: 50%
Cam Reddish: 39%
Justice Winslow: 52%
Paolo Banchero: 53%
Plus he's all those things, 19 years old, and is already an effective ball handler in the pick and roll.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:24 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Rudy Gobert weighs 260lbs and is probably one of the top 5 strongest centers in the league.
Well yeah, he’s 30 years old now
He was 238 lb at age 20 when he drafted
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:31 pm to CP3forMVP
Zion in conf 7 FTA per
Blake Griffin, who I see him compared to, 6 FTA as a Fr, 9FTA as a soph
Carmelo 7 FTA another guy I see him compared to
Those other guys do not really fit the same style & physical profile as Banchero
Blake Griffin, who I see him compared to, 6 FTA as a Fr, 9FTA as a soph
Carmelo 7 FTA another guy I see him compared to
Those other guys do not really fit the same style & physical profile as Banchero
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:33 pm to GynoSandberg
Its not a dig at Chet, I think the kid is talented, there is just now way in hell im taking someone 190 lbs with the #1 overall pick
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:34 pm to supe12sta12z
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You dudes are awfully picky for a fan base of a team that is currently sitting at the 8th spot.
Who is picky? I, and I feel like 99.9% of everyone else on this board, would be absolutely thrilled to land in the top 4 and I would be thrilled to have Paolo, Chet, Jabari, or Ivey. But it's a conversation worth having.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:37 pm to Lester Earl
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Those other guys do not really fit the same style & physical profile as Banchero
Who? The guys I mentioned? If so, I would disagree. I've been saying for weeks I see him as a wing in the league, and he was a wing at Duke. Hell, McNamara compared him to Jayson Tatum the other day. He's far closer to the other Duke wings I mentioned then the guys you mentioned.
Though I think that single All-Star season of Blake Griffin in Detroit isn't a bad comparison, but he had completely transformed as a player by then vs what he was at Oklahoma.
Posted on 5/16/22 at 3:38 pm to GynoSandberg
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He was 238 lb at age 20 when he drafted
you mean 40lbs heavier than Chet is now?
One thing that we've seen through all this research and posting is that it's common to see these skinny 19 year olds gain about 20lbs over the next few years.
which is why i said even if Chet gains about 20lbs, he's still going to be skinny, but i do think he can be a good nba player at that weight, just not at the 5.
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