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re: Pels Game 41
Posted on 1/15/24 at 5:19 pm to AboveTheRim
Posted on 1/15/24 at 5:19 pm to AboveTheRim
I HOPE we are trying to showcase Naji to get him the frick out, though it’s backfiring really hard atm.
0 mins from Jose if he was healthy is asinine on a normal day. Borderline psychotic when their PG and SG are comfortable and in the midst of having dual 40 pr games.
I thought we got rid of Monty Williams man…same exact shite except he’s the younger, more relatable version.
0 mins from Jose if he was healthy is asinine on a normal day. Borderline psychotic when their PG and SG are comfortable and in the midst of having dual 40 pr games.
I thought we got rid of Monty Williams man…same exact shite except he’s the younger, more relatable version.
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Posted on 1/15/24 at 5:28 pm to AboveTheRim
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That is the conundrum for the Pels , imo. They have 2 good to really good players. Both have moments of greatness but neither has consistent sustained it .
Zion is the more elite player. Yes he has conditioning issues but he is better. I think that’s universally recognized by everyone. If they don’t trust him to build around- then like I said trade him. I like BI but hes not good enough to build around. And keeping Zion in this secondary role is a waste. Also BI has slightly been more dependable and lets be real BI hasn’t really done anything other than get us to a first round loss.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 5:43 pm to Pels_Yaz
The longer this has gone the more it seems to me that Zion will be the one moved if either of them are .
He’s not elite enough to deal with the drama he’s brought and he’s proven he’s not fully committed to be a high level pro athlete from a conditioning perspective . His skill set has not gotten better since entering the league .
BI has carried the team down the stretch the last 2 seasons including the playoff series while Z has been in street clothes . I’m not saying he’s more elite but he been dependable for this team when it’s mattered at the end of the season .
If one of the 2 had to go, I’m more pro trading Zion admittedly for the simple fact that I don’t think he can be the best player on a real contender and He will get a slightly better return (maybe).
All that side I understand the intelligent move BI arguments . Not the he sucked today trade him conversation but the real conversations and banter.
Odds are , we’ll be tied to these 2 for the foreseeable future .
He’s not elite enough to deal with the drama he’s brought and he’s proven he’s not fully committed to be a high level pro athlete from a conditioning perspective . His skill set has not gotten better since entering the league .
BI has carried the team down the stretch the last 2 seasons including the playoff series while Z has been in street clothes . I’m not saying he’s more elite but he been dependable for this team when it’s mattered at the end of the season .
If one of the 2 had to go, I’m more pro trading Zion admittedly for the simple fact that I don’t think he can be the best player on a real contender and He will get a slightly better return (maybe).
All that side I understand the intelligent move BI arguments . Not the he sucked today trade him conversation but the real conversations and banter.
Odds are , we’ll be tied to these 2 for the foreseeable future .
Posted on 1/15/24 at 5:47 pm to AboveTheRim
The other side you have to consider is if Zion puts it all together you can be a west contender. I know thats a huge IF.
If you trade him, you’re basically saying screw that and banking on any of the young guys you currently have (Trey, Hawkins) becoming elite. Thats a huge gamble but so is betting on Zions health. Its a real tough situation to be in if you’re Griffin.
If you trade him, you’re basically saying screw that and banking on any of the young guys you currently have (Trey, Hawkins) becoming elite. Thats a huge gamble but so is betting on Zions health. Its a real tough situation to be in if you’re Griffin.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:00 pm to Pels_Yaz
I’ve considered that and I’ve seen enough to be confident that won’t happen .
It’s much more likely to go the other way in which the athleticism starts to go and his game suffers.
Could I be wrong , sure . If I’m griff that’s a decision I can live with . If he’s that concerned trade him east so you don’t have to face him as often .
It’s much more likely to go the other way in which the athleticism starts to go and his game suffers.
Could I be wrong , sure . If I’m griff that’s a decision I can live with . If he’s that concerned trade him east so you don’t have to face him as often .
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:05 pm to AboveTheRim
Yeah but if you trade him do you believe any of your young guys can become elite?
Because if Zion is gone- the potential of this team being a West contender is gone with it? Unless Zion is replaced with elite talent- its very difficult to trade him too. I really like Hawkins and Trey but Im not even sure if either of them are future all stars.
Because if Zion is gone- the potential of this team being a West contender is gone with it? Unless Zion is replaced with elite talent- its very difficult to trade him too. I really like Hawkins and Trey but Im not even sure if either of them are future all stars.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:12 pm to Pels_Yaz
I’m not saying to trade him just to trade him but if I had to trade one of the two of he and BI Z would be the one.
I don’t think either of whom you listed are future all stars but let’s not pretend Zion is a current all star .
As currently constructed , the Pels path to contendership is injury to jokic , PG, or kawhi. I don’t think zion will ever reach that level of player so that path will remain the case .
I don’t think either of whom you listed are future all stars but let’s not pretend Zion is a current all star .
As currently constructed , the Pels path to contendership is injury to jokic , PG, or kawhi. I don’t think zion will ever reach that level of player so that path will remain the case .
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:13 pm to AboveTheRim
Better chance that Zion does than Ingram.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:15 pm to LSUCOLLEGECHAMPS
quote:Trey attacked relentlessly today, I think he had 9 FTs as a result of his aggressiveness.
All Trey wants to do is stand in the corner and take 50-foot shots
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:16 pm to AboveTheRim
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I don’t think either of whom you listed are future all stars but let’s not pretend Zion is a current all star
Hes already a 2 time all star and will likely make other all star games. Lets not completely think hes trash now lol
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:17 pm to lsu_baseball11
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0-7 (!!!) in games decided by 3 or less
This is a huge problem moving forward.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:18 pm to AboveTheRim
quote:We've never tried it for a long enough sample size to have the true answer. That's on coaching.
I’ll answer your question with a question , if I may …
Can Zion be counted on / depended on to be great on a consistent basis ?
The one time we did do it, Zion played at an MVP caliber level and had us at or near the #1 seed.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:19 pm to pleading the fifth
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This is a huge problem moving forward.
It's pretty simple. Make fts and attack the paint late.
We settled too much in crunch time and it failed us
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:22 pm to AboveTheRim
quote:It's certain that BI is not that dude. The jury is still out on Zion. He can do it, he's just often injured and now is on a team where he isn't allowed to be the #1 despite very very clearly being the best player.
If one of the 2 had to go, I’m more pro trading Zion admittedly for the simple fact that I don’t think he can be the best player on a real contender and He will get a slightly better return (maybe).
But BI is so far away from being a #1 on a real contender simply because he's not good enough. Zion might not be either, but even if he's not, he's a heck of a lot loser than BI.
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:23 pm to Pels_Yaz
Not saying he’s trash at all . Didn’t intend to give that impression.
Would you agree this is the worst he’s looked as a pro when healthy ?
Would you be concerned with the fact that’s he has been an all star the previous years but isn’t this year?
That trajectory is concerning to me when he’s at an age where he should be entering is prime years.
Factor in his injury history to his lower body , his trouble with weight control , and general immaturity I thinks it’s a relatively safe bet that his career potential falls off rather builds long term
Would you agree this is the worst he’s looked as a pro when healthy ?
Would you be concerned with the fact that’s he has been an all star the previous years but isn’t this year?
That trajectory is concerning to me when he’s at an age where he should be entering is prime years.
Factor in his injury history to his lower body , his trouble with weight control , and general immaturity I thinks it’s a relatively safe bet that his career potential falls off rather builds long term
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:26 pm to shel311
Is it not also on Zion —-we got near a number one seed and then he didn’t play the rest of the season ?
There isn’t big enough sample size bc he has t played enough games which is a Zion problem more than a coaching problem .
There isn’t big enough sample size bc he has t played enough games which is a Zion problem more than a coaching problem .
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:29 pm to AboveTheRim
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Would you agree this is the worst he’s looked as a pro when healthy ? Would you be concerned with the fact that’s he has been an all star the previous years but isn’t this year? That trajectory is concerning to me when he’s at an age where he should be entering is prime years. Factor in his injury history to his lower body , his trouble with weight control , and general immaturity I thinks it’s a relatively safe bet that his career potential falls off rather builds long term
Honestly ever since IST tournament other than his rebounding hes played well. The issue has been the team not playing him as number one option.
Could he have been better conditioned to begin the season? Absolutely.
All star selections are hard to decipher to be fair. For instance lot of players won’t get in who deserve it because west is loaded.
You’re assuming he has a negative trajectory based on his past. That may be true but if its not and you’re wrong- you lose the opportunity of this team contending for a title. If you’re right- what do you really lose? His minimal trade value?
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:37 pm to AboveTheRim
I remember laughing at Kanter saying Zion was just Julius Randle with hops when he was coming out of college now I kinda hope Zion would add a little of Randle play style to his game lol
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:41 pm to Pels_Yaz
I appreciate the conversation , truly do.
I don’t think your argument against is wrong .
The “fun” of this exercise is projecting . No one is right or wrong bc it an unknown .
My argument would be we have to use the past and current to project the future . There has been nothing in his career to this point that makes me believe he will get to the franchise carrying level . We aren’t at a contending level now , so if you can get a return that makes sense . You take a swing .
Do you think it’s more likely that he becomes a guy that leads us to a contender , that the situation stays mostly the same , or gets worse?
I don’t think your argument against is wrong .
The “fun” of this exercise is projecting . No one is right or wrong bc it an unknown .
My argument would be we have to use the past and current to project the future . There has been nothing in his career to this point that makes me believe he will get to the franchise carrying level . We aren’t at a contending level now , so if you can get a return that makes sense . You take a swing .
Do you think it’s more likely that he becomes a guy that leads us to a contender , that the situation stays mostly the same , or gets worse?
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:42 pm to Jar_Jar_80
Lol the guy scored 30 was dominating and was a missed free throw from tying the game. Should he have rebounded better? Sure.
Meanwhile BI has scored under 20 points the last seven games but lets harp on how bad Zion is smh.
Meanwhile BI has scored under 20 points the last seven games but lets harp on how bad Zion is smh.
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