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re: Pelicans will accept “first decent, reasonable offer” for Zion
Posted on 12/5/25 at 1:58 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 12/5/25 at 1:58 pm to Dantheman504
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Wrong. Claxton and 1-2 1sts isn't insane
I don't know. I don't think they give us Claxton for Zion. I think Zion has too much of a stink and they aren't looking to get rid of Claxton or dump him. He's a solid player.
This is our disconnect. I do not believe Zion is redeemable. I do not believe that other teams think he is either. No one wants to pay him 40M+ the next two seasons. His value is in cutting future salary.
If the Nets wanted him, it would be to shed a bad contract. They will rescind his future contract. If he plays well, maybe they resign him to a smaller, short term deal. Zion isn't getting big money going forward. Not for a long time.
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We have offers. We are just looking for the best one.
We just put him on the market. Most teams can't do serious deals until after 12/15. So I don't think there has been a ton of talks yet. I'm sure there have been some conversations. But I don't see a boisterous market..
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Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:01 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Chicago cant be that dumb, but I'd run to the phone to pair Queen and Fears with a 3pt shooting center like vuv
For a 35 year old center that had negative value not long ago?
Horrible idea.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:13 pm to brmark70816
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This is our disconnect. I do not believe Zion is redeemable. I do not believe that other teams think he is either. No one wants to pay him 40M+ the next two seasons. His value is in cutting future salary.
I understand the disconnect. My issue with that disconnect is that there isn't a single organization (fans included) that are sitting there going "man I hate Zion he really fricked us over".
That's our opinion from our fans and our organization. No one gives a frick about that opinion and the negative impressions he's made on us outside of this organization/ fan base.
Whatever distain you feel about Zion is not felt by other teams and fans. Do they have reservations about his injury status and health? Sure. Are they sitting there thinking about how he's fricked them over for 8+ years and how he can't be redeemed because of it? No because he hasn't hurt or done anything to the other teams.
They aren't thinking "wow the prestiged Pels org did everything they could and ran their team so amazingly that its clear Z is the problem and I feel bad for the pels that this happened".
No, they are fricking laughing at us with full confidence that they can do better and that our incompetence had to do with Z's issues.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:18 pm to Townedrunkard
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For a 35 year old center that had negative value not long ago?
Once again you have no idea what you're talking about.
You think Zion has that much more value? Chicago gives us a first with vuv (a volume 38% 3pt shooter that actually plays games) and huerter and I'm good. frick Zion let's get the young guys around solid vets until theyre ready to take over.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:19 pm to Dantheman504
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Do you think that Zion has a positive reputation outside of New Orleans or Louisiana?
I actually think you have this twisted around. It's worse outside our sphere and he has less value than we think. The rest of the league gave up on him awhile ago. We couldn't cause we are so invested.
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That's our opinion from our fans and our organization. No one gives a frick about that opinion and the negative impressions he's made on us outside of this organization/ fan base.
Do you think that Zion has a positive reputation outside of New Orleans or Louisiana?
I actually think you have this twisted around. It's worse outside our sphere and he has less value than we think. The rest of the league gave up on him awhile ago. We couldn't cause we are so invested.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:27 pm to brmark70816
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Do you think that Zion has a positive reputation outside of New Orleans or Louisiana?
Positive reputation? No.
Personal history with those teams that would influence their decision? Also No.
If Z was a free agent and was cool with a smaller contract then you'd have 29 teams trying to sign him. The only team that wouldn't try to sign him would be the one team that has personal history with him and views him as "irredeemable".
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:34 pm to Dantheman504
There are some GMs out there, right now, talking themselves into Zion's potential. There are plenty of league insiders who are saying he just needs a change of scenery. There are plenty of fans that think he is just milking his injuries to force his way out of NOLA.
It only takes one dipshit GM to pull the trigger and learn what we already all know.
It only takes one dipshit GM to pull the trigger and learn what we already all know.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:43 pm to Dantheman504
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No, they are fricking laughing at us with full confidence that they can do better
No doubt they will have teams that believe this shite stain organization was the problem. But they will still want to buy low on him. We need to find a team that also has a price player they may want to move. I rather get an impact player than a late first.
Ja, Clarke, KCP for Zion, Murray and Alvarado works in the trade machine.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 12/5/25 at 2:50 pm to Dantheman504
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If Z was a free agent and was cool with a smaller contract then you'd have 29 teams trying to sign him.
How is this relevant? You are talking about teams trading 1sts for him on his current deal. He's not going to be cheap or suddenly make less money. His contract is a pretty important factor.
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Personal history with those teams that would influence their decision? Also No.
Teams talk. His history and background is well known. Teams will perform their due diligence. I can guarantee there are a number of teams that would never consider him. People always refer to the Heat. But he'd never pass a physical for them or be able to meet their BMI standards. Do you think they are the only team with that type of system in place?
Posted on 12/5/25 at 3:00 pm to brmark70816
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If Z was a free agent and was cool with a smaller contract then you'd have 29 teams trying to sign him.
How is this relevant?
Because I'm trying to give you an opinion through the eyes of people who were NOT impacted personally and you are specifically coming from a view of that (1) team that sees him irredeemable no matter what.
No matter what you want Zion gone even if he's free. Well 29 other team want him if he's free. The (2) opinions cannot be compared. You FEEL a certain way and even if they understand you they have never felt anything towards the situation. They can view him similar to you and would still pull the trigger for his upside. You don't think that upside exists and don't want spend more time seeing if its true. Its not the same thing. Those teams don't have 8+ years of shitty performance from him to make the same opinion. They have 8+ years of laughing at an organization they hope fails so that they can acquire these exact players in these exact situations.
And that's truly why we will be low balled on offers. Not because of Z's value but because teams have been waiting for this moment to take advantage of us and try to get him at the best deal.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 12/5/25 at 3:02 pm to saints5021
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There are some GMs out there, right now, talking themselves into Zion's potential. There are plenty of league insiders who are saying he just needs a change of scenery. There are plenty of fans that think he is just milking his injuries to force his way out of NOLA.
It only takes one dipshit GM to pull the trigger and learn what we already all know.
Add in the success of Hart, Randle, AD, CP3, etcc outside of our organization and its quite obvious that the only people that view Z or any "failed player" from our team as "irredeemable" are people that have personal bias and were negatively affected.
None of those teams were affected at all and certainly not personally.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/5/25 at 3:08 pm to Townedrunkard
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Ja, Clarke, JCP for Zion, Murray and Alvarado work in the trade machine.
That is such an unbelievably dumb trade for the grizzlies to make.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 3:25 pm to whatiknowsofar
Hell, BI is healthy, Dyson signed a big contract, NAW looking like a legit player. There is so much evidence that players thrive when they get outside of Gayle's dumpster fire.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 3:34 pm to saints5021
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Hell, BI is healthy, Dyson signed a big contract, NAW looking like a legit player. There is so much evidence that players thrive when they get outside of Gayle's dumpster fire.
None of those players have remotely the same issues as Zion. This isn't hyperbole. He's a massive reclamation project.
Yes. I am sure there would tons of interest on a cheap deal. But he's currently on a max deal. It's going to take a special circumstance to get someone to bit on that..
Posted on 12/5/25 at 3:53 pm to brmark70816
quote:It is and the fact that a team can "try him out" without committing to a future guaranteed contract has some value.
His contract is a pretty important factor.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 3:54 pm to brmark70816
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None of those players have remotely the same issues as Zion. This isn't hyperbole. He's a massive reclamation project
You have yet to process that the only bigger "reclamation project" than Zion is the Pelicans Organization in its entirety.
You are right. Z's situation isn't remotely comparable to Randle, NAW, etc.
But do you know what is remotely comparable? Its their lack of success on the Pelicans.
And what else is remotely comparable? The success of those players once they leave our organization.
You are still viewing this as a Zion problem and I don't disagree with you. But outside of our organization it looks more like a shitty organization problem.
It is indeed a Zion problem that is not arguable. But we see someone who has failed us for 8+ years and other teams see a 20+ year failed organization.
This post was edited on 12/5/25 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 12/5/25 at 4:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
Earlier in this thread I proposed Z to Bulls for Vuc + Huerter + Portland's protected (1-14) 2026 first and was downvoted off the map.
I think that's the best deal you're going to get right now and that only because those guys are expiring and Bulls aren't going to pay them on their next deal...
I think that's the best deal you're going to get right now and that only because those guys are expiring and Bulls aren't going to pay them on their next deal...
Posted on 12/5/25 at 4:27 pm to New City Champ
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I think that's the best deal you're going to get right now and that only because those guys are expiring and Bulls aren't going to pay them on their next deal...
Whatever we settle for will be far worse than this suggestion. Keep in mind Joe “unprotected 1st” is handling negotiations.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 5:23 pm to New City Champ
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I think that's the best deal you're going to get right now and that only because those guys are expiring and Bulls aren't going to pay them on their next deal...
Well u let him rot on the bench. I’m not trading him for garbage. This team is going no where fast so it doesn’t matter.
Posted on 12/5/25 at 5:27 pm to whatiknowsofar
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That is such an unbelievably dumb trade for the grizzlies to make.
Murray seems like a grizz type player. They want Ja gone. Clark is hurt. KCP is a bench player now. This is the type deal I’m looking at trading Zion for.
I know it’s a lot to ask since Murray doesn’t have the trade value of DD. But here we are.
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