re: Pelicans to have "sitdown" with Greg Oden

This thread is going to be Anderson for Asik version 2.0

I've been talking the deal with Mason on and off since I left work.

I have a letter to Coon asking about a sign and trade, but given that Oden does not appear to have been on a team at all in the 2012-2013 season, a sign-and-trade may not be possible. I may be if there is some medical or other rule in the CBA that the FAQ does not address since it's weird. This is possible. He updates it from time to time.

There are other ways to get the deal without a sign and trade.

I have to admit, I assumed the $3m report for was one season, or at least the first season.

If the Pelicans waive Miller and Roberts, hold off on Morrow, Jackson, Withey, and waive/stretch Aminu, then I think they can offer the guy about $1.517m in the first year of a deal. Go for 2 years, that's your $3m. They can then pick up the waived guys if they want.

The stupid part is then having to waive the guy you just signed, since you can't trade him. So, they missed something, I missed something, or this is `new'.

Waiving someone who makes more also works or can make the deal worth $3m in one year, but who?

You'd have to dump Smith and Rivers to create the room alternatively.

This is not assuming you can `reorder' the Stiemsma deal.

If they are allowed to say "Stiemsma fits into the exception, so let me create room after the fact and still slide him into the exception," then they can trade Smith or Rivers away and have the room without stretching Aminu. They can stretch either of them instead, as well.

This would require an `guarantee' from another team and they would have to have that flexibility . . . I can see that being there or not.

Just thinking.

What do you guys think about all this?

The $3m and the `quality offer' talk make me think they are doing something over the min, since a min deal can't be for 3 seasons and the min salary for him is only about $1m per year.

Nix the stretch of Aminu.

My spreadsheet didn't pick up his 1/3 salary, just his roster charge. That bombs that scenario.

I'm running out of ideas that don't involve trades of existing contracts.

quote:

---

I don't think they have to waive Aminu. It is all in the timing of the contract signings. If they hold off on Steimsma and use the exception for him, hold off on Morrow, Withey and Jackson and waive Roberts and Miller, they can offer over $2.5 million the first year.

---

You are forgetting the roster charge. I put that in the other thread.

The bit on agent propaganda is a valid one. However, unless you spin your wheels so much, you can't prove out the guess, can you? Like all the rest, it's just a guess based on potentially imperfect information and reasoning.

I have a call out on the situation, but it seems that either a trade has been negotiated to allow him to sign as a free agent or they are offering the minimum.

The only real bell you can put on that contract is to make it for 2y.

quote:

---

Not sure Stern would allow that type of shenanigans with the signings.

---

Oh boy, I'm agreeing with you on that one. This is weird

quote:

---

That leaves the room exception wide open to sign Oden.

---

quote:

---

Salary cap genius!

---

No.

Salary cap dummy who can talk to a salary cap genius when all avenues have closed.

I try. That's it.

Of course, I know enough to at least ask good enough questions to get some good answers and understand them.

Still, I had a MAJOR point missed. It's not come up in our cap studies before, and it's not listed in the CBA FAQ as far as I could see, so it's not a huge error on my part, but I had a few errors here, besides stupid misquotes like the part 60 day waiting, or screwing up the stretch calculation I posed above or in the other thread.

For one, I missed that Oden can't be traded because that last deal he signed didn't come into this season. Big screw-up.

Still, I have no problem working this stuff publicly to get corrected, taking the lumps, learning something, and sharing it.

Best I can do, fellas.

We have apparently fit everyone into cap room respecting faux-Lopez, faux-Vasquez, faux-Harris on the books, so acting as if they were not traded yet, except Evans.

Then we process the trade for Evans.

This allows the MLE.

So it is similar to what you said earlier or in the other thread. It's not moving the Stiemsma signing around. It's moving the Evans trade `to the end' that allows the team to use all the cap room they prior to the Evans trade, but after the Holiday trade, to sign free agents while preserving the Room Exception.

If fact, offering Stiemsma the Room MLE was confusing, but it was likely a competitive thing . . . someone else offered that so we had to match and offered more minutes or whatever. To give him this, the Pelicans had to waive Thomas. Still, that made it seem like he used the team's MLE.

Confusing, at least to me.

And it was your conversation about moving the Stiemsma signing around that prompted me to ask Larry Coon the question about rearranging deals, and this, of course, was the key.

So thanks for that.

That's one reason I post all these thoughts on here. They are inevitably wrong at some level. Dialogue helps tease out the weak spots so we can make them stronger.