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re: Pelicans, one of the teams, reached out to Portland for Damian Lillard
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:52 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 7/5/23 at 11:52 am to TigerinATL
quote:Because we have 2 max players in a #1 and #2 and already made the big trade for a #3. Not because he just can't or won't get a big deal done. Because he already has, and he already has 2 guys to build around.
But fans who follow the team should know ahead of time it's not happening
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Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:01 pm to Soggymoss
What do people think will happen with Harden? Is he for sure gone from Philly?
I ask, because Philly could be a landing spot for CJ in a potential trade to send us Dame.
I ask, because Philly could be a landing spot for CJ in a potential trade to send us Dame.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:03 pm to TechTiger
Yeah they said he's most likely traded before season begins
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
You trade for Dame to pair him with Zion, if you’re nit pairing him with Zion there’s no sense in trading for him.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:08 pm to TechTiger
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I ask, because Philly could be a landing spot for CJ in a potential trade to send us Dame
Same thing as with Zion. If you’re trading for Dame you keep CJ and Zion.
CJ is one of Dame’s best friends, he would already be mad that he’s not going to Miami, you have to keep people he wants to play with.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:11 pm to Soggymoss
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CJ is one of Dame’s best friends, he would already be mad that he’s not going to Miami, you have to keep people he wants to play with.
And the central problem there IMHO is that the CJ-Dame show was limited in the playoffs due to defense when both were several years younger.
I don’t see their new work being substantially more successful than their previous work.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:15 pm to teke184
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And the central problem there IMHO is that the CJ-Dame show was limited in the playoffs due to defense when both were several years younger. I don’t see their new work being substantially more successful than their previous work.
They never had a player even close to the caliber of Zion with them and they drug that team to the WCF.
Hell, I don’t think they had a guy the level of Trey with them. If they had the talent we have that year they would’ve won it all, and probably a couple of them
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:17 pm to teke184
You can’t rely on a Dame/CJ backcourt. But at least you would be sending CJ off to another contender. If they are shopping Harden still, then I’m not sure where he would go. I know the Clippers have made exploratory calls, but they just re-signed Westbrook. I don’t know if they want to go down that road….
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:18 pm to Soggymoss
Herb can offset some of their defensive issues IF Zion can stay on the court and they have a fifth man who fits with them.
But this still depends on what we give up with regards to players to make this work.
BI would be a given if CJ and Zion are staying.
Portland likely wants Dyson, Trey, and other pieces plus firsts. Herb can’t go because he just signed a new deal but anyone else not named CJ or Zion would be fair game.
What would this team look like if the Big Three is Dame, Zion, CJ, with Herb and other pieces still there?
But this still depends on what we give up with regards to players to make this work.
BI would be a given if CJ and Zion are staying.
Portland likely wants Dyson, Trey, and other pieces plus firsts. Herb can’t go because he just signed a new deal but anyone else not named CJ or Zion would be fair game.
What would this team look like if the Big Three is Dame, Zion, CJ, with Herb and other pieces still there?
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:21 pm to teke184
My proposed deal for Dame was:
Portland: Ingram, Dyson, Kira, 2024 and 2025 1sts from Pels
Pels: Dame
That beats anything any other team could/would offer imo.
Starting 5 after would be Dame,CJ,Herb,Zion,Jonas
Closing 5 would be Dame,CJ,Herb,Zion,Trey
We could also do this deal and stay under the tax by doing a simple Jonas for Gafford swap, and fill the roster out with EJ and Matco
Portland: Ingram, Dyson, Kira, 2024 and 2025 1sts from Pels
Pels: Dame
That beats anything any other team could/would offer imo.
Starting 5 after would be Dame,CJ,Herb,Zion,Jonas
Closing 5 would be Dame,CJ,Herb,Zion,Trey
We could also do this deal and stay under the tax by doing a simple Jonas for Gafford swap, and fill the roster out with EJ and Matco
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:25 pm to Soggymoss
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Portland: Ingram, Dyson, Kira, 2024 and 2025 1sts from Pels
Pels: Dame
that is way too much for a 32 year old making way too much money for the next 4 years.
Lillard is awesome, but he's not worth BI/Dyson, and 2 firsts.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
A top 10 player in the league is definitely worth that.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 12:54 pm to Soggymoss
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A top 10 player in the league is definitely worth that.
I agree, if he was under 30 years old.
Lillard is a top 10 offensive player in the league, but his defense is non-existent, and he's 32 years old (for 10 more days), and he's making a ton of money. You realize you're going to have to pay a 37 year old $63M?
If the best Miami can offer is Tyler Herro and 2 firsts, then there's no reason to offer BI/Dyson/2 firsts. BI is a much better player than Herro. Know your competition.
There are a multitude of other teams that can offer a better package than Miami can.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:04 pm to TeddyPadillac
Miami can only offer 1 first.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
Everything I’ve heard is that Portland wants to do what’s best for dame and dame wants miami . I’m sure that’s true to an extent if the offers are all similar
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:24 pm to TechTiger
quote:coin flip between clippers and Philly it seems
What do people think will happen with Harden? Is he for sure gone from Philly?
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:25 pm to TechTiger
quote:
Miami can only offer 1 first.
They can offer two now that the 2023 draft is over.
They can offer 28 and 30.
They own their 24 1st, but they can't trade it.
OKC owns their 25 1st, top 14 protected. Miami could probably convince them to take that protection off of it, and just accept their 2026 unprotected 1st, then they would be able to trade their 24 or 25 first on top of the 28 and 30.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:30 pm to TeddyPadillac
I’m not certain, but with the new CBA there are supposed to be rules in place that would eliminate teams from trading future assets.
At least from what I heard on Jake’s show the other day. Miami can only offer 1 future first as of now.
Under the new rules, teams that are over the second tax apron cannot trade draft picks more than 6 years from the current draft year.
It used to be 7 years in the future was the max, but the new Apron rules severely limit what teams can to do bring in players via trade.
At least from what I heard on Jake’s show the other day. Miami can only offer 1 future first as of now.
Under the new rules, teams that are over the second tax apron cannot trade draft picks more than 6 years from the current draft year.
It used to be 7 years in the future was the max, but the new Apron rules severely limit what teams can to do bring in players via trade.
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It would take all day to list all of the blockbusters these rules would restrict. James Harden never would have become a Brooklyn Net with these restrictions. Kevin Durant wouldn't be a Phoenix Sun. Steve Ballmer won't be able to use his immense wealth to make trades like the 2022 deadline deal he swung for Norman Powell and Robert Covington anymore. These teams aren't even going to be able to pay off rivals to take players from them for the sake of tax savings. These rules are going to fundamentally change how NBA trades are made.
This post was edited on 7/5/23 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:37 pm to TeddyPadillac
Sprint far away as possible from Dame. I would trade CJ to Philly for JH straight up. This is almost perfect salary match and it would assist the Pels from luxury tax hell. It is probably that Pels could buyout JH.
For CJ, he is paired with a center that can cover his weakness. Philly minus JH plus CJ is a contender.
For CJ, he is paired with a center that can cover his weakness. Philly minus JH plus CJ is a contender.
Posted on 7/5/23 at 1:38 pm to TechTiger
They aren’t allowed to trade a pick from 7 years out.
Combine that with having sent a protected pick to OKC for 25/26 and you have a very limited window they can trade.
Can’t trade 24 through 27 because they don’t know when that pick will convey. Can trade 28. Can’t trade 29 if they trade 28. Can’t trade 30 due to CBA rules on high spending teams.
They can skirt this by either converting their pick to being 25 to OKC with no protections OR getting some other pick in 25-26 that would satisfy the Stepien Rule regardless of that other pick.
Combine that with having sent a protected pick to OKC for 25/26 and you have a very limited window they can trade.
Can’t trade 24 through 27 because they don’t know when that pick will convey. Can trade 28. Can’t trade 29 if they trade 28. Can’t trade 30 due to CBA rules on high spending teams.
They can skirt this by either converting their pick to being 25 to OKC with no protections OR getting some other pick in 25-26 that would satisfy the Stepien Rule regardless of that other pick.
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