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re: Official 2018 Pelicans Offseason Thread
Posted on 7/25/18 at 9:38 pm to PelicansBay
Posted on 7/25/18 at 9:38 pm to PelicansBay
For a team in China. Sure.
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Posted on 7/25/18 at 11:40 pm to BallHawk
Wouldn’t mind seeing one of those guys compete with Frank Jackson for the 4th guard spot. I would give the edge to Jackson but the sample size is so small I’m not certain.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 12:22 am to PelicansBay
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They told me they wanted a combo or a 2, so i knew it wouldn't be Harris. I disagree, but whatever
I don't get it. We have 70 thousand combo guards/2s on the roster already.
After Jameer worked pretty well least season, why wouldn't they chase a point who can shoot like Harris?
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:49 am to Pelefraan 1
The logic is as follows:
Traditional point guards tend to have the following negatives: Lack of size, poor defense, not incredibly valuable off ball or as a cutter
Now, if they are elite at playmaking (CP3, Rondo, etc) then their positives outweigh their negatives. But if they are just an average one like Ish Smith or Tim Frazier, then it doesn't outweigh the negatives. Pels want to switch a lot and you put a small guy out there and you have to change everything you do. And on offense, they want the ball to pop around the court. Now, if you have a master like Nash or CP3 or Rondo, then you let them run the show. But if they aren't that level, you get a combo guy who can defend more positions, can finish at the rim, etc.
Traditional point guards tend to have the following negatives: Lack of size, poor defense, not incredibly valuable off ball or as a cutter
Now, if they are elite at playmaking (CP3, Rondo, etc) then their positives outweigh their negatives. But if they are just an average one like Ish Smith or Tim Frazier, then it doesn't outweigh the negatives. Pels want to switch a lot and you put a small guy out there and you have to change everything you do. And on offense, they want the ball to pop around the court. Now, if you have a master like Nash or CP3 or Rondo, then you let them run the show. But if they aren't that level, you get a combo guy who can defend more positions, can finish at the rim, etc.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:58 am to Crewz
quote:No plans for a big to take some beating off of Davis from time to time.
The logic is as follows:
Traditional point guards tend to have the following negatives: Lack of size, poor defense, not incredibly valuable off ball or as a cutter
Now, if they are elite at playmaking (CP3, Rondo, etc) then their positives outweigh their negatives. But if they are just an average one like Ish Smith or Tim Frazier, then it doesn't outweigh the negatives. Pels want to switch a lot and you put a small guy out there and you have to change everything you do. And on offense, they want the ball to pop around the court. Now, if you have a master like Nash or CP3 or Rondo, then you let them run the show. But if they aren't that level, you get a combo guy who can defend more positions, can finish at the rim, etc.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:58 am to Crewz
All reasons why Harris was the perfect choice. Would have brought leadership and other intangibles, as well. C'lest la vie.
I'm guessing Nwaba, Connaughton, Jack, Swaggy, Jamal Crawford, Afflalo, Chalmers are the type of guys the Pels will pursue and/or have offers out to already.
I'm guessing Nwaba, Connaughton, Jack, Swaggy, Jamal Crawford, Afflalo, Chalmers are the type of guys the Pels will pursue and/or have offers out to already.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 8:59 am to NOSHAU
They have Randle, Niko, Okafor, and Diallo. Unless something materializes where they move Okafor and Diallo, I think they are set there. I'd hope Monroe or David West got signed for depth, but they'd resolve that later I'd assume.
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Posted on 7/26/18 at 9:05 am to NOSHAU
They will ride out Okafor until something better comes along. They have 5 legit bigs who they are fine with getting reg season minutes with him on the roster.
Okafor doesn't fully guarantee until Jan. 10. They can keep him around as a trade asset or keep him on the roster as a player/mentor, of they can release him any day now if a Trevor Booker or a Greg Monroe will take the minimum and they like him better.
They will have 5 bigs on the roster when the season opens, and the worst one will be Okafor level or better. Which is fine.
Okafor doesn't fully guarantee until Jan. 10. They can keep him around as a trade asset or keep him on the roster as a player/mentor, of they can release him any day now if a Trevor Booker or a Greg Monroe will take the minimum and they like him better.
They will have 5 bigs on the roster when the season opens, and the worst one will be Okafor level or better. Which is fine.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 9:06 am to BallHawk
I'd add Jason Terry to that list and say that its 80-85% likely that one of those guys get the min from the Pels sometime in the next 3-4 weeks
Posted on 7/26/18 at 9:11 am to Crewz
I love JET, but I don't want him on this team.
Connaughton and Nwaba are 1A and 1B to me.
Afflalo, Swaggy, and Crawford are next
Then whomever else.
Connaughton and Nwaba are 1A and 1B to me.
Afflalo, Swaggy, and Crawford are next
Then whomever else.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 9:22 am to BallHawk
To me, I need to have a convo with every vet and need them to tell me that they will be a total professional if Jackson beats them out and they are a benchwarmer.
Okafor started some nights and didn't get a minute others. Was a total professional regardless. I wonder if Jarrett Jack or Jamal Crawford, etc would be ok not playing at all after getting a lot of minutes the last few years
Okafor started some nights and didn't get a minute others. Was a total professional regardless. I wonder if Jarrett Jack or Jamal Crawford, etc would be ok not playing at all after getting a lot of minutes the last few years
Posted on 7/26/18 at 10:16 am to Crewz
quote:Have a feeling that Crawford could be the target. I am kind of intrigued by Nwaba for his defense and hustle.
To me, I need to have a convo with every vet and need them to tell me that they will be a total professional if Jackson beats them out and they are a benchwarmer.
Okafor started some nights and didn't get a minute others. Was a total professional regardless. I wonder if Jarrett Jack or Jamal Crawford, etc would be ok not playing at all after getting a lot of minutes the last few years
Posted on 7/26/18 at 10:57 am to NOSHAU
There is no "the target" this time of season. Dell has min offers to 4-6 agents, who have several teams all offering that minimum. But they are still seeking out teams with bigger exceptions available and seeing if they can get more money for their clients. And/or 2nd year options.
But Dell isn't laser focused on one guy. He might have a slight preference of one guy over the other, but he isn't that attached.
But Dell isn't laser focused on one guy. He might have a slight preference of one guy over the other, but he isn't that attached.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:08 am to Crewz
quote:Gotcha. So he puts out these 4-6 offers and first to accept gets the spot?
There is no "the target" this time of season. Dell has min offers to 4-6 agents, who have several teams all offering that minimum. But they are still seeking out teams with bigger exceptions available and seeing if they can get more money for their clients. And/or 2nd year options.
But Dell isn't laser focused on one guy. He might have a slight preference of one guy over the other, but he isn't that attached.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:51 am to Crewz
That’s why I’m good with our bigs roster as it is now. We all know the majority of the minutes are going to AD, Niko, and Randle with Diallo playing sparingly. I guy like Okafor is a great vet who doesn’t mind getting spot minutes in a pinch and can be a good mentor to the group as oppose to Booker or Monroe who are not going to play a ton and may be either mad about it or try to prove he’s better than he is and play outside of the system.
As far as guards go, I will much rather a vet that can shoot 3’s and a good attitude than a young guy with something to prove as my last guard. I really much rather see Jackson as the fourth guard and give him small minutes a game to grow but if he shows nothing than give me a good veteran.
As far as guards go, I will much rather a vet that can shoot 3’s and a good attitude than a young guy with something to prove as my last guard. I really much rather see Jackson as the fourth guard and give him small minutes a game to grow but if he shows nothing than give me a good veteran.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 11:53 am to NOSHAU
First one gets it. And the others know their offer could/probably will be pulled once someone agrees.
Or lets say Dell gets one guy who says he will take it, he can go to a guy he might like a little better and say, "Last chance. I need to know now, or we are signing X guy and I will have to pull the offer to your client."
Or lets say Dell gets one guy who says he will take it, he can go to a guy he might like a little better and say, "Last chance. I need to know now, or we are signing X guy and I will have to pull the offer to your client."
Posted on 7/26/18 at 12:27 pm to BallHawk
I like the thought process here. Combo guard that can play defense, and the offensive philosophy is to move the ball/cut. As it was stated, if you don't have a CP3/Nash/Rondo, then the bad outweighs the good, minus the star players like Lillard/Westbrook.
That being said Jason Terry sure as shite ain't that guy, and neither is Jamaal Crawford.
Connaughton and Nwaba would be nice, and i'd say Afflalo after them. Swaggy P is too stupid.
if they don't care about them being a ball handler, and you want to play fast on offense, then Corey Brewer isn't a bad choice. he's a good cutter and great defender.
That being said Jason Terry sure as shite ain't that guy, and neither is Jamaal Crawford.
Connaughton and Nwaba would be nice, and i'd say Afflalo after them. Swaggy P is too stupid.
if they don't care about them being a ball handler, and you want to play fast on offense, then Corey Brewer isn't a bad choice. he's a good cutter and great defender.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 12:43 pm to TeddyPadillac
Brewer is a baller. If we have to play a non shooter, I prefer him over Hill. And actually Brewer shot decently for a stretch with OKC.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 12:46 pm to Garden of Asik
I agree. I think Brewer should be on board in case Solo still looks like end of season Solo, b/c that Solo sucked arse.
Posted on 7/26/18 at 6:26 pm to Crewz
Off too but there is some new vids on AD working on his handle. Is that further prove he will not be playing the 5 as much? Alot of media outlets are saying he is the center now.
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