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re: Of the first 34 picks in the 2020 NBA Draft.....
Posted on 12/28/20 at 2:18 pm to Dantheman504
Posted on 12/28/20 at 2:18 pm to Dantheman504
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Are y'all texting each other to get your talking points down? I didn't mean to say "start" Kira. I'd hope context clues would show y'all this but its obvious y'all have an agenda.
It’s also obvious you came into this thread with an attitude in a reactionary fashion and you have only so far offered commentary that underscores your opinions are coming from a reactionary and not thought out place.
It’s not shocking that multiple people are able to quickly identify contradictions and poorly articulated points you’ve continued to aggressively throw out.
People are filling the dead air discussing what the reason for not deepening the guard rotation to include either of our first rounders is and might mean, and you come busting in here with equally speculative, but entiriely contradictory logic, while presenting it like some obvious truth in a dickish fashion.
This post was edited on 12/28/20 at 2:19 pm
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Posted on 12/28/20 at 2:21 pm to Long_Time_Lurker
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Is it possible that the core players (BI, Zion, JJ, Zo, Hart) lobbied to play extended minutes to start the season off as a sort of tone setter and a way to play themselves into shape?
The assumption seems to be this is an SVG/front office pushed thing but what if it's coming from the vets/young vets?
I only personally said FO might explain the Hayes situation in a context of Willy not getting minutes(and assuming it’s not because he is trash, which is a reasonable conclusion to also draw).
But maybe they lobbied, it’s possible, though based on all the interviews I’ve seen doesn’t seem likely. There seems to be a healthy deference to coach and letting him coach. I think it’s more safe to say these are SVG’s decisions and we can speculate from there why they might be playing out this particular way?
Gun to my head I think it is because SVG has an instinctual trust of vets, but is forced due to lack of alternative talent to play Hayes big minutes, and that the reason we haven’t seen NAW or Kira despite struggling guard play is that both haven’t demonstrated enough to SVG to be a part of building our early season on-court identity/culture. And how serious that issue with either of our first round guards is we can only further speculate. Personally, NAW is the only one I’m genuinely worried with because he is a two year college player in his second season and we have an obvious need for another shooter/spark/facilitator in the guard rotation when one of our top three have difficult nights.
This post was edited on 12/28/20 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 12/28/20 at 2:37 pm to Dantheman504
You didn’t answer this, but I will for you as I’ve stated this several times.
Why is Tyrese Maxey playing ahead of Thybulle in Philly, and getting minutes with their crowded backcourt and playoff team with a new coach?
It’s b/c he’s shown from day 1 of practice that he deserves minutes regardless of who else is on the team. Same goes for Payton Pritchard in Boston.
Why is Tyrese Maxey playing ahead of Thybulle in Philly, and getting minutes with their crowded backcourt and playoff team with a new coach?
It’s b/c he’s shown from day 1 of practice that he deserves minutes regardless of who else is on the team. Same goes for Payton Pritchard in Boston.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 7:58 am to TeddyPadillac
NNaji and Hampton played last night for Denver in their 3rd game of the season, same for Stewart playing last night for Detroit in their 3rd game of the season.
That means Kira, hurt Okungwu, and draft and stash still in Spain Bolmaro are the only first rounders to not make their NBA debut yet.
Hopefully Kira can make his debut tonight.
That means Kira, hurt Okungwu, and draft and stash still in Spain Bolmaro are the only first rounders to not make their NBA debut yet.
Hopefully Kira can make his debut tonight.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:37 am to Bronc
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I think SVG kind of hinted at this having to happen(almost passive aggressively) saying we have quite a lot of bigs and point guards, but we only really have one true SG and Hart is sort of our 2/3 hybrid
No, he literally said he sees Hart as a prototypical SF.
I imagine he meant JJ as the one true SG, but he has also played a ton of PG due to the tight rotation.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:41 am to Dantheman504
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Also our issues are clearly coming from backup bigs. Our backcourt has looked well the first few games without even NAW playing much. So why would it makes sense to throw Lewis in the mix? If we add any more people to the rotation it should be to help the bigs. If people follow our team they would see this shite instead of sit here and worry about our draft pick because past stats say so.
They are intentionally ignoring our depth at guard and extreme lack of depth at the big positions.
Once SVG loosens up the rotation NAW will be the first to benefit, and then eventually Lewis. But until we break away from the 8 man rotation, you will continue to see our 7 best players (starters plus Hart and JJ) + whatever big they feel is the least worst. It's the bigs minutes that are lacking, not the guards/SF.
This post was edited on 12/29/20 at 8:42 am
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:47 am to GynoSandberg
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I merely talking about the first handful of games. Those guys will eventually get run as the current distribution is not sustainable
Like someone giving me shite after 1 game when last game Redick dropped to 20? It's a long season to be calling things early, isn't it? I said give it time.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:56 am to Bronc
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In the last two games Eric Bledsoe and JJ Reddick have combined for 19% shooting and 13.6% shooting from three. They have a combined net rating of around -30. Reddick’s -48 net rating over the last two games is only surpassed in its awfulness by Hayes -58 net rating
So I don’t think the rotation can be explained simply by saying our guards have played so good we don’t have any need for someone to come in to pick up the slack.
You don't start benching starters and not playing high quality backups because they had 1 or 2 bad shooting nights.
If it becomes a string of 4, 5, 6 games then yes you start to consider that. But they (or at least Bledsoe) does a lot more than just shoot. He does need to get the turnovers down though.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:59 am to TeddyPadillac
Shamit makes a pretty good case for NAW and Kira to get some run.
I get Stan wanting to get his system in place before adding more young guys to the mix and he probably feels Jaxson is one young guy too many already, but you can't play 8 guys all year Stan.
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Shamit Dua @FearTheBrown
Pick and roll ball handler play for the Pelicans through 3 games -
Brandon Ingram: 23 possessions (7.7 poss. per game), 1.17 ppp.
Eric Bledsoe: 14 possessions (4.7 poss. per game), 0.57 ppp.
No other Pelicans player has ran more than 10 pick and rolls as the ball handler.
* scoring only. This data doesn't include the passing portion
I think the coaching staff is trying to scheme away the need for dynamic guard play with tons of off ball screens, cuts, and DHO's but eventually defenses can just sit on those and not react if you don't have guys who can warp the floor in a specific direction.
For example, teams can really play the pass on any JJ/Jaxson DHO because they know that JJ isn't going to the rim and he's not big enough to pass over two Jaxson frequently. They can also rotate the low man on the Jaxson roll because weakside shooters on the Pels aren't great.
I get Stan wanting to get his system in place before adding more young guys to the mix and he probably feels Jaxson is one young guy too many already, but you can't play 8 guys all year Stan.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 9:05 am to Bronc
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Then why isn’t that the case with the Zion/Adam’s/Melli/Hayes rotation?
First and foremost because the combo of Melli and Hayes has proved disastrous. One or the other we can maybe survive.
So we tried just 1 last game to see how it worked. Still like shite, but not just because of Hayes (Bledsoe had a horrible stretch on offense with Hayes). So we still need more info and we are still tweaking who plays better with who with our top 8/9 guys.
It's a slow process because of the lack of preseason, so now it's being done in the regular season.
I really wish he would loosen up the rotation, but I get why he hasn't.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 9:10 am to bonethug0180
I’ve always projected minutes for NAW and Lewis, not at the expense of Jj becoming the 9th man off the bench
I gave you shite after 1 game bc you were calling people out after one game. You said a bunch of dumb shite then doubled down on some even dumber shite
I gave you shite after 1 game bc you were calling people out after one game. You said a bunch of dumb shite then doubled down on some even dumber shite
Posted on 12/29/20 at 9:21 am to GynoSandberg
Called people out on something completely unrelated.
And nothing I said was anything more than expectations. I said I see JJ averaging around 14-20 minutes per game, but more near the beginning and less as the young guys get more time.
Him starting 2 over 20 doesn't do anything to really change that. It's a long season.
But if SVG keeps the tight rotation going more than 10 games then obviously JJ will get more run, and a ton of other people way less. Until the rotation loosens up it's way to early to call anything on anyone minutes wise, guys that are playing or aren't.
And nothing I said was anything more than expectations. I said I see JJ averaging around 14-20 minutes per game, but more near the beginning and less as the young guys get more time.
Him starting 2 over 20 doesn't do anything to really change that. It's a long season.
But if SVG keeps the tight rotation going more than 10 games then obviously JJ will get more run, and a ton of other people way less. Until the rotation loosens up it's way to early to call anything on anyone minutes wise, guys that are playing or aren't.
This post was edited on 12/29/20 at 9:25 am
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