re: Non-Pels March thread

Giannis not playing against the Clippers tonight, ugh

Thank you Bucks!

Donovan Mitchell out the next few games, might miss game against Pels

Pet peeve "question of the day"..."we" usually come up with an answer for every question. This one has stumped us. Would somebody please give me a solid answer...so I can impress my friends?

Question...why does the NBA count end of quarter "heaves" toward an individual's 3-pt%. If you throw up a bomb from beyond halfcourt just before the horn...WHY count it against the shooter?

By counting it, you are just encouraging players to "play the game" of acting like they are taking a shot but delaying just long enough to allow the horn to sound. Quit being silly...just don't count "heaves" from beyond halfcourt against 3-pt% and FG%. Then, everybody will want to take the "heave" just before the horn...and when they DO go in...it will actually count.

NO big deal...but anybody got a downside to not counting the heave? I'd luv to impress my friends with a legitimate reason.

well the shot counts if you make it, so why shoudl it not count if you miss it?

and if you are worried about Herb's 3 point % coming down b/c of heaves, he's only attempted 3 in his career, one each year.

They count them as heaves so if you really wanted to prove a point that it affected your 3P% you can.

The NBA as a whole is 5-316 on heaves this year.
Naji is 1-6, taking the 3rd most. Clarkson and Lillard each have taken 7, the most in the nba, and haven't made one.
Dyson and Larry have each taken 3
BI and Hawk 2 each
Jose/Herb/Trey each with 1

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NO big deal...but anybody got a downside to not counting the heave? I'd luv to impress my friends with a legitimate reason.

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A shot is a shot. You can't set some arbitrary guideline as to what constitutes a shot. What would a "heave" be? Would it have to be at least farther than half court, farther than the logo? Should we then not count "heaves" taken from beyond the three point line when the shot clock is about to expire? A shot is a shot.

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We came up with the idea of not counting a "heave"...if it was from beyond the halfcourt line. Fairly simple...and that would free up everybody to actually try and take a shot before the buzzer goes off...instead of the silly "delay" that 90% (or more) of the players use nowadays.

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Oh, and while I'm on "silly"...how silly is it to give a turnover to the poor guy that happens to be left "holding the ball" in this scenario? Correct me if I'm wrong but...

You're up 8, get a defensive rebound with 30 seconds left. You dribble down the court, other team has quit trying to guard you...you just dribble on down, pass up the layup (as the league wants to do for reasons I won't go into)... dribble back out and hold the ball as shot clock goes off with 6 seconds left. Congrats...you just got credited with a turnover. How silly is that? Happens all the time. Fun to sometimes watch the vets "work around" being the guy that gets caught with the turnover.

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Should we then not count "heaves" taken from beyond the three point line when the shot clock is about to expire? A shot is a shot.

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BI is shooting 36.6% from 3 this year.
Remove the 35 attempts he's taken in the last 4 seconds of the shot clock at 22.9% and he's a 39.2% 3 point shooter this year.
That's 35 out of 216 threes this year that were forced up late in the shot clock, 16.2% of his 3's this year.

CJ on the other hand has taken 354 threes this year, and only 26 of them have come in the last 7 seconds, 7.3%
CJ is 6/26 for 23.1% from 3 with under 4 seconds left.



I've been saying it all year, this team too often gives the ball to BI late in the shot clock and says "bail us out", which results in tough 3's and off balance mid range shots with a hand in the face. But you know what, every team has to deal with that and he's the only guy on the team capable of getting a shot off even if contested and having a decent chance at making it.



Zion has taken 33 shots total late in the shot clock, at 36.4%, all but 2 were two pointers.
BI total shots late in the shot clock, 91 with 42.9% eFG.
Zion total shots late in the shot clock, 33 with 36.4% eFG.
CJ total shots late in the shot clock, 46 (26 3's) at 41.3% eFG.
Herb's taken 24 (12 3's) at 45.8% eFG.
Trey's taken 24 (21 3's) at 48.3% eFG.
Jose's taken 25 (14 3's) at 42.0% eFG.
Hawkins taken 29 (18 3's) at 44.8% eFG.
Naji's taken 39 (26 3's) at 51.3% eFG.
JV's taken 36 at 63.9% eFG.



Zion is literally the worst player on the team to give the ball too late in the shot clock.

It would be nice if I could see how many of the FG's were assisted or not. I'd bet BI assist rate is near 0% while everyone else is in th 70-90% range



and if you were curious, as a team we are shooting 46.8% eFG late in the shot clock (under 4 seconds left), and that's 4th best in the league.

We are first in the league with 7-4 seconds left at 57.8% eFG.

you would think with that kind of stat we'd be a better clutch team since we obviously are decent at getting tough shots up.

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That should be one of his roles. He's the best guy for the bail out. There's no reason why that should ever stop.

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I"m more than aware of that.
Just wanting to point out to all those that want to trade him what role has to be filled if you traded him, and it's a role Zion can't fill.

This is sickening... they are already trying to plant the seeds for his exit.

Shelburne of Wemby