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re: New Orleans Pelicans are willing to part ways with Brandon Ingram in hopes of getting Dame
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:50 pm to Bronc
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:50 pm to Bronc
quote:Funny how I mentioned Zach Lowe probably r times, and you've not responded to that
Shhh
Shel thinks he won an Internet argument by invoking *checks notes* Bill freaking Simmons and Ryen Russillo lol
…Which he had to contort their discussion to do anyways
Very telling, just ignore and hope it goes away.
And if by contort, you mean post actual quotes, then sure. You're trying wayyyyyy too hard lately.
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Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:56 pm to Bronc
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I’m living rent free in your head
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You told me I needed anti depressants and was a miserable human being because I simply disagreed with a take of yours but tell me more about Rent free!!!
quote:Every single time I disagree with you, you lose your shite, you ALWAYS break from the simple debate
I don’t ever bother with your try hard argumentative nonsense unless to initiate it…and you always do
first, never me... Ever. Just like you've done with other dudes. Wash rinse repeat. You don't see me fighting with all these other dudes over and over, only you do that.
I disagree with, say, Bunchie, probably more than I have with you over the months. Not once have I ever got into it with Bunchie. Because, as always, you're the common denominator. Every single time.
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:01 pm to shel311
Why would I comment on something I haven’t listened to in full my man?
Here’s the thing though, Lowe is a journalist, an arts degree holder, he isn’t a Portland ownership insider, he isn’t an expert on ownership. He thinks that based on goodwill and “honor” that the Trailblazers will abide by his wishes. I disagree. I’ve laid out why I disagree. I’ve gone into detail on it. If you want to debate that we can do so, but this appeal to authority logical fallacy nonsense does nothing for me
Rent free in your head is cold quoting someone 24 hours later and having to double post in all caps in an effort to try and project out that you aren’t triggered when every word you type screams you are.
Here’s the thing though, Lowe is a journalist, an arts degree holder, he isn’t a Portland ownership insider, he isn’t an expert on ownership. He thinks that based on goodwill and “honor” that the Trailblazers will abide by his wishes. I disagree. I’ve laid out why I disagree. I’ve gone into detail on it. If you want to debate that we can do so, but this appeal to authority logical fallacy nonsense does nothing for me
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You told me I needed anti depressants and was a miserable human being because I simply disagreed with a take of yours but tell me more about Rent free!!!
Rent free in your head is cold quoting someone 24 hours later and having to double post in all caps in an effort to try and project out that you aren’t triggered when every word you type screams you are.
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 10:04 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:07 pm to Bronc
quote:telling someone they're a miserable human being solely for not agreeing with you
Rent free in your head is
quote:self awareness, get some. How are you going to talk about triggered when you're the one who gets personal literally every single time without fail, zero exceptions must like in this thread just a few minutes ago? You got multiple dudes calling out just the past day, you don't want to address that either, just ignoring that too.
that you aren’t triggered when every word you type screams you are.
quote:Ok, so we're going to compare your knowledge of the inner workings of a front office with his? Seems only fair, no?
Here’s the thing though, Lowe is a journalist, an arts degree holder, he isn’t a Portland ownership insider, he isn’t an expert on ownership
quote:I have zero issues with disagreeing. Happens all the time. But with this issue, like just about every others, you've gone to the extreme and think anyone who doesn't agree with you is just crazy, and you didn't say it's just your opinion. You've said it like it's fact, when you seem to be in the minority side of this. A little self awareness and not going to the extreme and freaking out when someone is on the other side of an argument can go a long ways.
disagree. I’ve laid out why I disagree
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:35 pm to htran90
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Realistically, the contenders I think he tries to go to that doesn't require them to gut a core and will contend:
Philly - Ben Simmons
Miami - Tyler Herro
Boston - Jaylen Brown
Denver - Michael Porter Jr
LA Clippers - Paul George
GSW - Wiseman, Wiggins
Simmons Brown and Porter are the only ones listed here with any real value that doesn’t gut the team(like George).
Kawhis free agency and ACL injury is too much risk even if he does re-sign.
Porter Jr makes sense if Denver drops 5 picks in Portland’s lap.
He doesn’t fit in Golden State. Talent or not. You’re not depending on Klay to be an elite defender anymore.
Personally I’m not trading Ingram. I’d trade most of our picks to get Dame, Ball in a sign and trade and their choice of NAW or Kiara.
If you want to keep Zion happy, Dame minus Ingram isn’t enough to Contend for championships.
It’s the west. It’s freaking loaded.
The Memphis Grizzlies are stacked with young talent.
Dallas will probably regress next year.
PDX is obviously a variable.
The Jazz will shuffle the deck, but should still be contending for home court.
Golden State, The Lakers, Nuggets, Suns.
The Spurs are presumably going to compete.
The Wolves should be better (I know)
The Clippers are a variable.
I think there are 7 spots practically locked up.
So we’re going to empty the warchest & our under 25 All Star three level scoring wing-what every team craves? With homecourt not even being a lock?
I’ll ask again-who’s been Brandon Ingrams best pro coach? Walton, Gentry, or SVG?
We haven’t seen his best.
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 10:42 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
quote:Well, if Ingram is in the deal, you wouldn't be emptying the war chest.
So we’re going to empty the warchest & our under 25 All Star three level scoring wing
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:14 pm to shel311
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Well, if Ingram is in the deal, you wouldn't be emptying the war chest.
And Zion and Dame won't play 2 on 5 after that trade either despite what some think itt.
BI goes and NAW stays, hell probably Lonzo too. You have more than enough assets after that (Picks, Jax, kira) to either let them develop or move them for another wing.
I just don't get why people think the only move to get dame is to get dame. It's getting dame then using the rest of the assets to put a team together.
And the west ain't that damn loaded. Some of yall acting like dame and Zion can't go on a run are insane.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:20 pm to whatiknowsofar
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You guys all seem worried that the Pels wouldnt be on Dame's list of preferred destinations when/if he asks out.
I couldnt disagree more. Its not about the market for him and how many other places could trade for him and still have a mega star plus means to get more talent?
Dear God even Crewz gets it.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:27 pm to shel311
Wasn’t the duo of Ingram and Zion this year the best 20pt and 25pts tandem? Also they tied for the most 30pts game together also?
This was with SVG. Now imagine that with a coach who actually set plays for them.
This was with SVG. Now imagine that with a coach who actually set plays for them.
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:23 am to whatiknowsofar
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And Zion and Dame won't play 2 on 5 after that trade either despite what some think itt.
So…on PT page 1 we have “we’ll never be a tax team.” Thread
And the idea that we’re going to have depth after getting a mega star?
I’m all for getting Dame, but not at the expense of Ingram or Zion.
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BI goes and NAW stays, hell probably Lonzo too. You have more than enough assets after that (Picks, Jax, kira) to either let them develop or move them for another wing.
NAW and or Lewis is in that deal as well. Maybe Hayes. And I doubt afterwards we tie money into Ball after that, but then again who else are we going to sign?
And yes the West is deep enough to say that Dame and Zion are no lock for homecourt, but they are a lock to at least 7-10.
Some of y’all acting like it’s lock are insane.
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It's getting dame then using the rest of the assets to put a team together.
Yes, being top heavy has never gone wrong before.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:07 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
Ingram’s best is when he got to hero ball
us to a 6-23 record. He was efficient and very happy. He’s been pretty inconsistent and sour ever since Zion took over his #1 offensive option role.
You telling me Dame and Zion together in these playoffs couldn’t be competing with the Suns (who can barely score 95 pts a game) or Clips minus Kawhi? We were competing with those teams this very season without Dame.
I like Ingram fine, but he’s not a guy you hold up a trade over if the trade legitimately makes you a top 6-8 team. If you are in that top mix, it comes down to timely performances, role players and injury luck. Right now we have zero chance. Getting Dame would give us a 10-15% chance that elevates to 30% plus in a season like this where there are some injuries.
Meanwhile, a Brandon and Zion combo gives you a 30% chance at a play in spot.
us to a 6-23 record. He was efficient and very happy. He’s been pretty inconsistent and sour ever since Zion took over his #1 offensive option role.
You telling me Dame and Zion together in these playoffs couldn’t be competing with the Suns (who can barely score 95 pts a game) or Clips minus Kawhi? We were competing with those teams this very season without Dame.
I like Ingram fine, but he’s not a guy you hold up a trade over if the trade legitimately makes you a top 6-8 team. If you are in that top mix, it comes down to timely performances, role players and injury luck. Right now we have zero chance. Getting Dame would give us a 10-15% chance that elevates to 30% plus in a season like this where there are some injuries.
Meanwhile, a Brandon and Zion combo gives you a 30% chance at a play in spot.
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 1:10 am
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:22 am to 3PieceSpicy
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You telling me Dame and Zion together in these playoffs couldn’t be competing with the Suns or Clips minus Kawhi?
You need wings in the NBA, stars or depth. So no I don’t think they compete against the Suns. The Clipps minus Kawhi? What’s the rest of our team look like?NAW and Hayes as our 3rd and 4th best players? Guys who can step up and give you 25 when you absolutely need it?
I think if Dame is here Lonzo is S&T.
By all means talk to me about the rest of the roster.
But Dame and Zion followed by a significant drop off isn’t getting us anywhere.
I’m a believer that the internal growth of this team will get us in the play-in. I believe the right FAs (like a Lowry & a few others ) can get us to 6.
At the end of the day, the Pels are depending on Zion having a pull up/ step back 3, like most superstars do.
He has that and it won’t matter.
But for next season, if his shot develops the Pels are in the playoffs/playin as is. (Provided a competent coach)
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Posted on 6/29/21 at 5:33 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
Every time I come back to this thread I am amazed at how much Dame is underrated. Dame is a top 10 player and will be for the next 3-4 years.
Again, elite talent acquisition is the hardest thing for a small market team. Also, the idea that we couldn’t fill out the roster around those two is crazy.
How many duos would y’all take over Zion and Dame for the next 4 years? 37-40 year old Lebron and AD? 33-36 year old Steph and post acl/Achilles Klay? Jokic and post acl Murray? Mitchell and Gobert? Post another major knee injury Kahwi and Playoff P? 36-39 year old Paul and Booker?
31-34 year old Dame and 21-24 year old Zion could easily make the case for the best duo in the west over the next 4 years. You get the elite talent and then fill out the roster every single time.
Again, elite talent acquisition is the hardest thing for a small market team. Also, the idea that we couldn’t fill out the roster around those two is crazy.
How many duos would y’all take over Zion and Dame for the next 4 years? 37-40 year old Lebron and AD? 33-36 year old Steph and post acl/Achilles Klay? Jokic and post acl Murray? Mitchell and Gobert? Post another major knee injury Kahwi and Playoff P? 36-39 year old Paul and Booker?
31-34 year old Dame and 21-24 year old Zion could easily make the case for the best duo in the west over the next 4 years. You get the elite talent and then fill out the roster every single time.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 6:44 am to ThePistol
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Dame is a top 10 player and will be for the next 3-4 years.
highly unlikely
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You get the elite talent and then fill out the roster every single time.
we aren't los angeles, brooklyn, miami or, hell, even phoenix
especially after JJ has poisoned the well against us. we're not just going to snipe aging vets for cheap to fill out the roster
we're a team in a city nobody wants to play in with a reputation for fricking over the very type of player you're saying we need to get with that team build. it's not going to be that easy
Posted on 6/29/21 at 6:57 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
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Some of y’all acting like it’s lock are insane.
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Going on a run doesn't equal lock. I never said that.
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NAW and or Lewis is in that deal as well. Maybe Hayes
There is no way in frick Griff will trade Jax and/or naw with BI for Dame. He should be shot dead in the streets if he did that. Hell even adding one of them to the trade would piss me off.
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And I doubt afterwards we tie money into Ball after that, but then again who else are we going to sign?
There's no problem from me with tying money into a good catch and shoot 3pt guy like ball that Zion likes to play with IF we get dame. That dude will have more wide open looks than ever before.
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I’m all for getting Dame, but not at the expense of Ingram or Zion.
Zion? You seriously think we're gonna trade Zion? Even put that aside, you have a problem with trading a top 25 player for a top 10 player? Wow.
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Yes, being top heavy has never gone wrong before
You're just ignoring what I said completely. We have the assets to see if NAW and or Jax Kira can develop after the trade before making other moves. You don't have to empty the warchest if BI is traded for Dame.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:00 am to SlowFlowPro
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we're not just going to snipe aging vets for cheap to fill out the roster
We did with Rondo 4 years ago.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:12 am to whatiknowsofar
We have taken some black eyes, especially the JJ stuff this year.
After what we did to JJ, we are seen as a franchise that does not treat veterans properly. That well has been completely poisoned and JJ has made sure everyone knows not to deal with us. I told you all the time that was a big deal, and that was just for normal dealings. If we think we're going to snipe vets for cheap over bigger markets and franchises who have better reputations, then we're going to have a rude awakening
After what we did to JJ, we are seen as a franchise that does not treat veterans properly. That well has been completely poisoned and JJ has made sure everyone knows not to deal with us. I told you all the time that was a big deal, and that was just for normal dealings. If we think we're going to snipe vets for cheap over bigger markets and franchises who have better reputations, then we're going to have a rude awakening
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 7:16 am
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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After what we did to JJ, we are seen as a franchise that does not treat veterans properly. That well has been completely poisoned and JJ has made sure everyone knows not to deal with us. I told you all the time that was a big deal, and that was just for normal dealings.
Bro even the national media told JJ to stop whining like a bitch. Former players too. It's not that big of a deal.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:19 am to SlowFlowPro
You know how you change that perception? You get a veteran like Dame to come and start winning with Zion.
Phoenix with Robert Sarver had the worst reputation in the league. They get Chris Paul and all of a sudden Crowder signs and they are in the western conference finals. Brooklyn was the laughing stock of the NBA. They bring in top veterans and all of a sudden they are a hot destination. The NBA is about difference makers and Dame is one of those guys.
The defeatist attitude is exhausting. There is only one way to change the culture. Win. Dame is infinitely better at contributing to that than anyone else we could go get this off-season.
Phoenix with Robert Sarver had the worst reputation in the league. They get Chris Paul and all of a sudden Crowder signs and they are in the western conference finals. Brooklyn was the laughing stock of the NBA. They bring in top veterans and all of a sudden they are a hot destination. The NBA is about difference makers and Dame is one of those guys.
The defeatist attitude is exhausting. There is only one way to change the culture. Win. Dame is infinitely better at contributing to that than anyone else we could go get this off-season.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:37 am to ThePistol
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The defeatist attitude is exhausting.
I'm not being defeatist.
If Dame were 26 going on 27 I'd be all for the move. The problem is he's old and will be VERY old, very quickly. We'd be selling our future for the present and the only way we could build a title-contending roster is based on unrealistic hopes and prayers.
I don't want a 2-year window with Zion where we are unlikely to win a title. I've clearly said I'm fine with getting Dame as long as we keep Zion/BI. Giving up a soon-to-be 24 year old for MAYBE 3 years of Elite Dame is simply not worth the risk/cost.
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