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re: NBA Offseason officially kicks off, Ingram’s days in NOLA coming to an end per Stein
Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:34 am to ThePistol
Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:34 am to ThePistol
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This is very simple, Brandon Ingram should not be in the future plans of this team. The reasons are obvious and have been. Spending any more time and resources on making it work is simply bad business.
This isn't an unpopular or unreasonable opinion.
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We also have the worst center situation in the entire NBA
This is very well known by everyone.
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Brandon Ingram needs to be moved and we need some kind of help in return to at least approach league average at the center position.
Trading BI specifically to get help at the 5 is stupid. That's not why you trade him, or what you mainly look for in a return for him. If it happens to be organic in the trade, then fine, but you don't set out to trade him specifically looking for help at the 5.
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Posted on 8/15/24 at 11:00 am to TeddyPadillac
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Trading BI specifically to get help at the 5 is stupid. That's not why you trade him, or what you mainly look for in a return for him. If it happens to be organic in the trade, then fine, but you don't set out to trade him specifically looking for help at the 5.
The Ingram trade does not have to directly return a 5 but it needs to be the first domino in getting help at the 5. Whether that be direct help at the 5, financial relief, or current or future assets that can land help at the 5. The roster needs to be balanced.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 12:53 pm to Pistol44
quote:CJ was probably 2nd or 3rd best 3pt shooter in the NBA last season on sizable volume.
However, coaches are not hedging with CJ with either BI or Zion on the floor
We also had a team filled with a lot of non shooters.
Again, it's wild to think that CJ was zero part of any defensive gameplan, never guarded by another teams 1st or 2nd best defender, and never given special attention due to his shooting ability.
He shot something like 42% on 8+ attempts per game, of course he was part of a team's defensive gameplan, and VERY obviously he was a focus when on the court with only 1 of BI/ZIon neither of BI/ZIon.
I have no clue why you're saying teams don't really care at all about CJ in any situation.
The idea that OKC did nothing any different guarding CJ, then say Herb or Jose, in the postseason while also telling me I don't understand how teams gameplan is just "mind bottling"
This post was edited on 8/15/24 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 8/15/24 at 7:46 pm to ThePistol
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The Ingram trade does not have to directly return a 5 but it needs to be the first domino in getting help at the 5. Whether that be direct help at the 5, financial relief, or current or future assets that can land help at the 5. The roster needs to be balanced.
So you would take a worse deal if it included a center?
Cause I know some on here would.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 8:29 pm to Dantheman504
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BI is expecting to get a 50mil contract. He probably won't get it because he chose not to shoot 3's. The few games that he did shoot 3's was exactly what we needed. There's a chance no teams want to give him that contract because of his shot selection.
You actually don't think this will motivate BI? It is not a question of "if" he can shoot 7-11 3pt. We know he can.
There literally isn't a more appropriate time for him to actually become that player or be motivated to do so.
Wouldn't he have changed his shot profile last season when they brought borrego in for that exact reason.
He was wanting a new deal. What makes you think he is all of a sudden going to change?
He seems pretty hard headed. Hopefully he changes his shot profile with a true pg but I'm not holding my breath.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 8:31 pm to Pistol44
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, thats not how its ever worked. Secondly, only Husky and Slim have had the pressure of being game planned against on a consistent basis. To imply you can simply slot player Cs. stats into player A or B’s role with minimal friction is daft. Doubling down and not concerned about equitable compensation (addition by subtraction … lol) is even more mindless.
So if bi misses a game and cj is the 2nd scoring 9ption, teams aren't going to put their best perimeter defender on him??
This literally happened last yr.
Posted on 8/15/24 at 10:26 pm to Chalkywhite84
They won't put their best defender on him AND double him whenever he gets the ball.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 1:14 am to Chalkywhite84
I said Bi and Zion played %80 of games so CJ doesn’t get primary defenders and even in the case of Thunder, with Zion out and BI hobbled they didn’t hedge secondary defenders, just played him straight up.
This post was edited on 8/16/24 at 1:17 am
Posted on 8/16/24 at 9:38 am to Chalkywhite84
quote:Yep
So if bi misses a game and cj is the 2nd scoring 9ption, teams aren't going to put their best perimeter defender on him??
This literally happened last yr.
He said since CJ was here, teams NEVER gameplanned for him nor did they ever worry about putting their 1st or 2nd best defender on CJ
So what that means is... his argument was that literally OKC in the playoffs last season did not put their 1st or 2nd best defender on CJ, never game planned for him, and reated him just like itf it were Jose or Herb on the perimeter.
And you don't understand game planning if you disagree with that.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 9:40 am to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:Which is irrelevant and not what was stated by the poster.
They won't put their best defender on him AND double him whenever he gets the ball.
You said "AND" but the exact quote from the poster stated teams never put their best defender or 2nd best defender on CJ "or" hedged on him.
Posted on 8/16/24 at 9:46 am to Pistol44
quote:In fairness, what you'er doing is backing off of your original quote likely because you realized it was wrong, but instead of saying that and amending it, you've changed it while telling us this is what you said all along, which is false.
I said Bi and Zion played %80 of games so CJ doesn’t get primary defenders and even in the case of Thunder, with Zion out and BI hobbled they didn’t hedge secondary defenders, just played him straight up.
Here was your quote:
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CJ has never been game planned for or had the opps best or second best defender guarding him
THat's is very, very obviously wrong. Speaking to that OKC series, if you don't think CJ received more attention than a Jose or Herb or Naji, that's jus wild.
Teams don't treat a top 3 3pt shooter in the entire league who shoots on volume like any old player on the perimeter, that just would not happen when he is your 2nd option or even at times your #1 option on the court at a given time..
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