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NBA Draft - 2nd Round Prospects
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:58 am
Posted on 5/15/17 at 11:58 am
The draft is fast approaching so I wanted to hear about some 2nd round prospects. I do not get to watch much college basketball these days and must rely on evaluation sites and people on here to get to know these prospects.
With the new 2 way contracts, limited roster flexibility, and our biggest trade asset (2018 1st) tied up until after the draft, I think we will be making our 2nd round selection.
Some prospects that may be there around our pick that I find interesting:
1. OG Anunoby - (6'8" with 7'2" wingpsan) [DX - #14, draftnet #40] I don't think he will be there, but nbadraftnet mocked him to us. He was believed to be a 1st round pick last year before he went back. Maybe he slides this far due to injury and/or we move up. I think he can be an elite and versatile defender with his length (6'8" w/ 7'2" wingspan) and athleticism. Would really like this pick for his ability to guard 1-4 and potential for elite perimeter defense.
2. PJ Dozier - (6'6" w/ 6'11" wingspan) [draftnet #20, DX #45 - Great athlete with impressive measurables, but still raw. Needs a lot of work on his shot and handle. Interestign prospect for 2 way contract.
3. Semi Ojelye - (6'7" w/ 6'10" wingspan) [draftnet #58, DX #41]- played a stretch 4 role. Shot 42% from 3 this year. Has the length and athleticism to guard 3's, but has never really done it before . Interesting prospect if he can guard wing players. He is basically the same size as Solo and has many of the same attributes coming out.
4. Wesley Iwundu - (6'7" w/ 7'1" wingspan) [draftnet #32, dx #54] Long and ahtletic wing that is a good facilitator and versatile defender, but poor perimeter shooter.
5. Sindarius Thornwell - (6'4" w/ 6'10" wingspan) [draftnet #38, DX #55] Strong, hustle player with good feel for the game. Very productive in college. Good catch and shoot guy, but not efficient off the dribble. Still not where he needs to be defensivley for a senior.
6. Monte Morris - (6'3" w/ 6'4" wingspan) [draftnet #47, DX #56] Limited size (175lbs) and upside, but high bball IQ and very good passer. Monte would make a good backup PG and upgrade on Frazier. Limited defensively and likely only able to guard PG's.
7. Josh Hart - (6'5" w/ 6'8" wingpsan) [draftnet - #42, DX #48] Prdouctive senior wing. Good player off the ball and willing defender. High IQ and effort guy. Seems like one of those second round senior prospects who will figure out a way to succeed in the NBA and become a glue guy.
8. Frank Mason - (6'0' w/ 6'3" wingspan) [Draftnet #53, DX #53] Wooden award winner. Attacking PG with good shot off the dribble. Tough, scrappy player, but lacking size to be versatile on defense and older. Scorer.
Others: Jaron Blossingame, Tyler Dorsey, Jordan Bell, Damyean Dotson, Nigel Williams-Goss, Dillion Brooks, Devin Robinson, Frank Jackson
Pelicans Interviews Combine:
Dillon Brooks
Dwayne Bacon
Tyler Dorsey
Frank Jackson
With the new 2 way contracts, limited roster flexibility, and our biggest trade asset (2018 1st) tied up until after the draft, I think we will be making our 2nd round selection.
Some prospects that may be there around our pick that I find interesting:
1. OG Anunoby - (6'8" with 7'2" wingpsan) [DX - #14, draftnet #40] I don't think he will be there, but nbadraftnet mocked him to us. He was believed to be a 1st round pick last year before he went back. Maybe he slides this far due to injury and/or we move up. I think he can be an elite and versatile defender with his length (6'8" w/ 7'2" wingspan) and athleticism. Would really like this pick for his ability to guard 1-4 and potential for elite perimeter defense.
2. PJ Dozier - (6'6" w/ 6'11" wingspan) [draftnet #20, DX #45 - Great athlete with impressive measurables, but still raw. Needs a lot of work on his shot and handle. Interestign prospect for 2 way contract.
3. Semi Ojelye - (6'7" w/ 6'10" wingspan) [draftnet #58, DX #41]- played a stretch 4 role. Shot 42% from 3 this year. Has the length and athleticism to guard 3's, but has never really done it before . Interesting prospect if he can guard wing players. He is basically the same size as Solo and has many of the same attributes coming out.
4. Wesley Iwundu - (6'7" w/ 7'1" wingspan) [draftnet #32, dx #54] Long and ahtletic wing that is a good facilitator and versatile defender, but poor perimeter shooter.
5. Sindarius Thornwell - (6'4" w/ 6'10" wingspan) [draftnet #38, DX #55] Strong, hustle player with good feel for the game. Very productive in college. Good catch and shoot guy, but not efficient off the dribble. Still not where he needs to be defensivley for a senior.
6. Monte Morris - (6'3" w/ 6'4" wingspan) [draftnet #47, DX #56] Limited size (175lbs) and upside, but high bball IQ and very good passer. Monte would make a good backup PG and upgrade on Frazier. Limited defensively and likely only able to guard PG's.
7. Josh Hart - (6'5" w/ 6'8" wingpsan) [draftnet - #42, DX #48] Prdouctive senior wing. Good player off the ball and willing defender. High IQ and effort guy. Seems like one of those second round senior prospects who will figure out a way to succeed in the NBA and become a glue guy.
8. Frank Mason - (6'0' w/ 6'3" wingspan) [Draftnet #53, DX #53] Wooden award winner. Attacking PG with good shot off the dribble. Tough, scrappy player, but lacking size to be versatile on defense and older. Scorer.
Others: Jaron Blossingame, Tyler Dorsey, Jordan Bell, Damyean Dotson, Nigel Williams-Goss, Dillion Brooks, Devin Robinson, Frank Jackson
Pelicans Interviews Combine:
Dillon Brooks
Dwayne Bacon
Tyler Dorsey
Frank Jackson
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 11:04 am
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:07 pm to NOFOX
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1. OG Anunoby - (6'8" with 7'2" wingpsan) [DX - #14, draftnet #40] I don't think he will be there, but nbadraftnet mocked him to us. He was believed to be a 1st round pick last year before he went back. Maybe he slides this far due to injury and/or we move up. I think he can be an elite and versatile defender with his length (6'8" w/ 7'2" wingspan) and athleticism. Would really like this pick for his ability to guard 1-4 and potential for elite perimeter defense.
When can they pull out of the draft? Wasn't there speculation he might stay in school after the injury? I can't imagine he'd stay in the draft if he thinks he's going in the 2nd when a healthy year next year can get him back into the mid 1st. If he stays in and falls to the 2nd I'd consider trading up for him like they did with Diallo.
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Interestign prospect for 2 way contract.
The way these new 2 way contracts will work, they won't be used on anyone you draft. If you draft a player in the 2nd they get slotted in at $815k. The 2way players will make a lot less than that.
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How much can a player earn?
According to a source, a player can earn approximately $275,000 per contract if they meet the maximum requirements.
A player on a two-way contract can spend a maximum of 45 days with the NBA team, at which they will earn 1/170 of the rookie minimum contract per day.
...What happens if a team wants to bring a player up for more than 45 days?
The team may submit a qualifying offer to the individual, at which point they would become a member of the roster.
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Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:25 pm to TigerinATL
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When can they pull out of the draft?
They can go until they are drafted or hire an agent. OG reportedly hired an agent, so he is done with college.
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The way these new 2 way contracts will work, they won't be used on anyone you draft. If you draft a player in the 2nd they get slotted in at $815k. The 2way players will make a lot less than that.
Thanks for that article. I hadn't looked closely at the two way contracts. So you can't use the 2 way contracts to stash a raw draft prospect in the d-league without taking up one of the traditional 15 roster spots?
ETA - I still think they use the pick. It's not valuable enough to dump any real salary and if Jrue resigns, we have no space to add talent next year. We are going to be up against the tax line soon and need to start developing players to contribute in 2 years time.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:39 pm to NOFOX
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So you can't use the 2 way contracts to stash a raw draft prospect in the d-league without taking up one of the traditional 15 roster spots?
There really isn't much info out there on it, so this is all educated speculation based on how it's worked in the past. If you use a 2nd rounder then you have to pay them like a 2nd rounder. I don't see why that would have changed and I'm guessing you have to waive your rights to them and make them a UFA before you can sign a 2nd rounder to something lower like the 2 way contract. Now maybe you can sweeten the pot for them a bit and make sure they sign a 2 way contract with you by signing them to a partially guaranteed 2nd round deal before cutting them and giving them a 2 way contract. If that's the case maybe you buy a late 2nd to make sure you get the prospect you want.
If these 2 way contracts work out I'd expect them to add another round or 2 to the draft in the next CBA.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:49 pm to TigerinATL
They really needed a rule change where you can stash a draft prospect in the d-league and have them not count against the roster, but still be able to retain their rights and pay them the $$$ allocated to their draft spot.
I thought the 2 way contracts would allow that, but apparently I am wrong. At least the 2 way contracts will allow us to add depth when players get injured while having roster spots wasted with Asik (and maybe Qpon) and still have space for developmental guys (Diallo, 2nd round pick)
I thought the 2 way contracts would allow that, but apparently I am wrong. At least the 2 way contracts will allow us to add depth when players get injured while having roster spots wasted with Asik (and maybe Qpon) and still have space for developmental guys (Diallo, 2nd round pick)
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 5/15/17 at 12:59 pm to NOFOX
If they had the 2 way contracts the last 2 years you can imagine BDJ would have gotten one 2 years ago and Quinn Cook would have gotten 1 this past year. Both are guys that they liked in Summer League and camp but didn't fit the roster until injury/lack of depth made them useful later in the year.
I'd look for both slots to be filled similarly from UDFAs that they like in Summer League and Training Camp. I think calling Toupane up and paying him at the end of the year was an audition for a 2 way contract rather than the #15 spot on the roster.
I'd look for both slots to be filled similarly from UDFAs that they like in Summer League and Training Camp. I think calling Toupane up and paying him at the end of the year was an audition for a 2 way contract rather than the #15 spot on the roster.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 1:10 pm to NOFOX
Monte Morris would be a great second round pick. He can create for himself and others and take care of the basketball, which we know Uncle Al values. He may never be a starter but he can be a good bench piece on a contender.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 2:57 pm to NOFOX
Jason Hart and Monte Morris would be my top choices if available at our pick
Posted on 5/15/17 at 4:46 pm to NOFOX
Would be ecstatic if OG drops to us. He's got all of the tools to be a lockdown defender at multiple positions. He was elite in pick and roll situations on that end of the floor. That's a definite NBA ready skillset that will translate, provided he can return to health.
Posted on 5/15/17 at 10:31 pm to kadillak
Nigel Williams Goss would be a home run for the Pels
Posted on 5/16/17 at 12:17 am to ihometiger
Dillon Brooks
Would be ok with reaching on Blakeney. This team needs a little athleticism and fire at the guard position.
Would be ok with reaching on Blakeney. This team needs a little athleticism and fire at the guard position.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 1:37 am to TigerinATL
With 2-way contracts - all of the team would have such spots.
So probably Quinn Cook would have been taken by anybody, earlier than Pelicans.
Draft day will be interesting, especially after the second round, when undrafted guys will be taken by every franchises...
It will be exciting race...
So probably Quinn Cook would have been taken by anybody, earlier than Pelicans.
Draft day will be interesting, especially after the second round, when undrafted guys will be taken by every franchises...
It will be exciting race...
Posted on 5/16/17 at 5:37 am to pawel
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So probably Quinn Cook would have been taken by anybody, earlier than Pelicans.
Cook was with the Pels in Training camp, not another team. If the 2 way spots existed last year he'd have never left the Pels roster. The Pels have built a good reputation for DLeaguers to have a chance at playing by the end of the year. They should be a pretty desirable landing spot for the UDFAs. And if there's one thing Loomis actually can give Demps advice on its getting UDFAs.
This post was edited on 5/16/17 at 5:41 am
Posted on 5/16/17 at 8:06 am to ShamelessPel
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Would be ok with reaching on Blakeney. This team needs a little athleticism and fire at the guard position.
Neither of those are really things we ever saw out of Blakeney, especially fire. That said, Hornsby was really the only player that showed much in the way of fire after Jones took over. Quarterman did before Jones ripped his heart out.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 11:14 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Interested to see if we can unearth a 2nd round gem (solid role player) with Ferry on board all year. Also curious about the contributions of Alex Kline to the scouting process and competition for two way contract UDFA's. He still has good connectons with a lot of these players coming out.
Posted on 5/16/17 at 11:17 am to ShamelessPel
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Would be ok with reaching on Blakeney.
Because this team needs an undersized 2-guard that doesn't play defense.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 1:51 am to NOFOX
Semi Ojelye IMO is the sleeper of the draft. I'll be estatic if we get him at 40. I have a top 20 grade on him.
Posted on 5/17/17 at 2:20 pm to NOFOX
Nigel Williams-Goss
This post was edited on 5/17/17 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 5/30/17 at 8:47 am to NOFOX
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Pelicans Podcaster? @SilverAndMac May 28
Interesting, unexpected, nugget-- Apparently the Pels would like to get TWO guys from draft class. One who could crack rotation, one project
Could mean buying or trading for a pick. Could mean aggressively going after UDFA's. Also, they are still watching Patric Young closely
From what few headlines I can find Young has done well in Europe. We're still talking about a backup big, but a high IQ bruiser is something they've been missing.
Here's a bit of a summary of his career from a preseason write up before last year.
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At age 24, big man Patric Young is probably more eager than anybody on the Olympiacos roster to demonstrate that he belongs at the top level. Fresh from college, he had a stellar season with Galatasaray in his EuroLeague debut and caught many eyes. When he joined the Reds, big expectations fell on his shoulders to become the new reference in the paint for the team. At the start of the season, Young was the team’s lead center and he responded with good numbers: 10.8 points, 5.0 rebounds, 1.2 steals and 2.6 blocks (which led the league at that point) plus aggressiveness on both ends of the court. However, only 4 minutes into the fifth game of the season against Anadolu Efes Istanbul, Young tore his ACL and missed the rest of the season. It has not been an easy or a short recovery for the big man, but he is finally back. Young has had a good preseason with Olympiacos and is surely awaiting the start of the new EuroLeague season, ready to give back for the trust put on him and to become one of the most reliable big men in the competition.
LINK
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:02 am to TigerinATL
Seen him couple of times in Eurocups this year. Looks fine.
And most important - he is playing in the real powerhouses...
And most important - he is playing in the real powerhouses...
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