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re: Nance wanting to come back makes Jax expendable.

Posted on 4/29/22 at 7:00 pm to
Posted by spaghettioeauxs
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2017
2772 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 7:00 pm to
I grew 8 inches throughout high school. It took me a long arse time to not be clumsy and my mind to fully grasp I was actually relatively tall. Just because his body fits the part right now doesn’t mean his mind has fully adjusted. I think that’s why you rarely see him backing down smaller players, he doesn’t understand how big and strong he is yet. Hopefully Zion helps him realize he could be a dominant athlete even in a league full of crazy athletes
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20665 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 7:42 pm to
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The biggest defense for keeping Jax in this thread has been that he is young and still growing into his body.



Let me explain to you why we aren't trading Jaxson Hayes. (And I don't even like Jaxson---I'm the opposite of a fanboy.)

1) We have six bigs on the team right now. One of them, Tony Snell, is leaving. We are not going to keep less than five bigs, so, if we're getting rid of Jaxson, the burden is on you to explain how we're getting someone better for less money ($6.8 million next season).

2) Yes, Jaxson is young, but it's not just that he's growing into his body (he is about 10 pounds heavier this season than last). It's also about the trajectory that he's on.

3) This season, Jaxson significantly improved his shooting, his handle, and his perimeter defense. Those are all things that made him playable as a PF. It is reasonable to expect that he will continue to improve, and I'd expect him to be a plus rotation player for us next season.

4) Since his contract expires at the end of next season, he has little trade value right now. All the value that he does have he will still have in the spring at the trade deadline.

5) No, we don't have to make an 8-figure decision on him in a year. It will depend on his development and productions. His QO for the 23-24 season would be $9.1 million, which is certainly reasonable if he's improving and productive. We could extend the QO and let Jaxson explore RFA.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7716 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 7:46 pm to
I’m a big Jax defender but even I am struggling to find a role or minutes for him if Zion is healthy.

I’m all for packaging Graham, Kira, and Jax into one better fitting role player tbh.
Posted by Jar_Jar_80
Member since Oct 2013
2147 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 7:57 pm to
The NBA season is long we need as much depth as possible, it's just a fact Jonas, Larry, and Zion will miss games next season.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:04 pm to
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Jax haters are the most stupid people on the board imo. We happen to have the luxury of bringing him off the bench next year and allowing him to keep developing around multiple superstars. “Nah ship his arse out”. Genuinely stupid take
Which proven players minutes are you sacrificing to give Jax 25+ minutes?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:05 pm to
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You want Billy to be our best insurance big? What happens if Valuncunias gets hurt next year? Who are you replacing Jaxson with? I’d love to know
What you're failing to realize here is that while Jax certainly still has promise, Willy was at the very least, every bit as good as Jax this season.
Posted by RUFshreve
Shree'pote
Member since Jul 2016
3030 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:05 pm to
I guess I'm gonna have to die on this hill, because everyone else is against him.

JAX IS 21 YEARS OLD. HE IMPROVED ALOT THIS YEAR. HE LOVES THIS TEAM. F YALL FOR TRYING TO TRADE MY DUDE JAX.

Okay, I'm good now.
Posted by Jar_Jar_80
Member since Oct 2013
2147 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:14 pm to
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Which proven players minutes are you sacrificing to give Jax 25+ minutes?


Who has said give Jax 25+ min?
Posted by bugafor6
Member since Feb 2016
4200 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:14 pm to
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No, Jax isn't worth anything in a trade, and he's now a great backup 4.


It’s literally the opposite. He’s nothing but upside, which makes him more valuable to a team that isn’t concerned with competing short term and he proved during the year he was much more engaged and effective when he got the confidence boost from starting. With Zion back, he’s useless for us to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20665 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:20 pm to
No, he's going into the last year of his contract. No one is going to trade for him an "upside" player with a year left on his deal. Teams trade for players with a year left if they:

1) Can obviously help them contend in the coming year, and/or

2) They have a large contract, and the expiration of said contract will create cap space.

Neither of those applies to Jaxson Hayes.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20665 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:22 pm to
I can see us dumping Jaxson in a draft-day deal if we end up selecting a big.

That's the only way that I can envision Jaxson getting dealt.
Posted by bugafor6
Member since Feb 2016
4200 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:32 pm to
We just gave up a first round pick for a free agent, which is now happing pretty regularly. Hayes still has plenty of team control in his future and as we’ve seen before, teams can essentially work out the framework of an extension before the trade is even complete. He still has plenty enough value to flip him for a role player that fits our team right now.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20665 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:36 pm to
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e still has plenty enough value to flip him for a role player that fits our team right now.


Like I said, we aren't dumping him now unless we draft another big, because we need at least five bigs on the roster. Get used to the idea of Jaxson on the roster next season.

Now, at the trade deadline next spring? That could be a different story. But we're likely to see what another summer of development does for Jaxson.
Posted by bugafor6
Member since Feb 2016
4200 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:37 pm to
Why are you acting as if he couldn’t be traded for another big?
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7716 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:39 pm to
That’s 100% true, but I’m assuming we make a pick in the top 8 to add another piece as well, so that’s why I’m okay with turning 3 pieces into 1 better piece in a trade. Because once we factor Zion back in and our first round draft pick, that replaces the 3 guys we send out.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20665 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:48 pm to
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Why are you acting as if he couldn’t be traded for another big?



I mean, I suppose he could be, but what the team needs is another pure shooter. There are a few bigs who do that well, but they aren't plentiful.

Edit: And you know who just might develop into a great 3-pt shooting big? Jaxson Hayes, that's who.
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 8:54 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:49 pm to
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Hell, Hayes mentioned in his exit interviews today that he is a guard
He can say whatever he wants, he's obviously not a guard
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:52 pm to
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and can’t hit FTs
Willy had a higher FT% than Jax
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but maybe give the kid a chance to figure out his body and play team defense alongside Herb and BI before you “ship him off”
He's had 3 years, his contract is up after next season, there aren't many chances left.
This post was edited on 4/29/22 at 8:53 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112622 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 8:56 pm to
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You couldn’t list one god damn thing Billy is better at on offense than Jaxson
post game.

There, done. That's not even up for debate.
Posted by bugafor6
Member since Feb 2016
4200 posts
Posted on 4/29/22 at 9:00 pm to
After watching what Ayton and McGee did to us, I’d say getting a McGee type big who can play post defense would be just as important as finding a floor spacing big. With Zion not being a good post defender, you aren’t going to find a guy who can fit your defensive need and still space the floor. Jax does neither, which is why we can hopefully find someone who has a vet role player that fits one of those needs and want a high upside guy to take a chance on.

Hayes needs minutes to develop, and we aren’t going to have that.
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