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re: N/P - Other NBA News Preseason Thread
Posted on 10/13/25 at 5:48 pm to brmark70816
Posted on 10/13/25 at 5:48 pm to brmark70816
Jalen Green was turning it on last season. He’s more of a flame throwing SG than a PG but yeah it’s funny to see people say they are better through addition by subtraction. That’s not how that works. That works when you get rid of somebody like Eric Bledsoe, not someone scoring over 20 ppg on efficient splits.
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Posted on 10/13/25 at 5:54 pm to brmark70816
quote:You clearly have only seen Green play against the Pelicans, a team he actually plays well against for some reason.
Yeah, I can't take anything seriously after that statement. Green is a chucker, but he played /started 82 games and scored over 20ppg (35+% 3pt). He's not a negative and he produced. To negate all his contributions is petty.
First off, 35% from 3 was his best year ever. And he still only had a TS% of 54%. A 54% TS% is terrible, and it kills your team when that player shoots as much as Green at that terrible percentage. For reference, league average for a shooting guard is 55.8% TS%, and league average for a team is 57.8%. So either way you look at it, he absolutely is a negative. And there is nothing else he does well.
As for the rest of your post about Durant and doing math… I can do math better than you, and know that Durant’s TS% of 64% last season, a full 10 percentage points higher than Jalen Green, is elite.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 5:59 pm to spaghettioeauxs
quote:Flame throwing? He’s an inefficient chucker.
He’s more of a flame throwing SG
quote:Efficient? There is nothing efficient about Jalen Green’s game. I swear some of you have never looked at his stats or seen him play.
not someone scoring over 20 ppg on efficient splits.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:57 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:05 pm to PrimeTime Money
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You clearly have only seen Green play against the Pelicans, a team he actually plays well against for some reason.
This is just not an effective debate tactic and I'm not taking the bait.
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First off, 35% from 3 was his best year ever.
So that performance was a negative for the team and they were better off without him..
They won 50+ games and he played every game. How many times did he lead them in scoring? If he wasn't scoring, who was going to take those shots?
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As for the rest of your post about Durant and doing math… I can do math better than you, and know that Durant’s TS% of 64% last season, a full 10 percentage points higher than Jalen Green, is elite
It's not going to matter if he doesn't play and he can only play one spot. This isn't a referendum on Durant. I'm sure he'll be great and a possible improvement over Green. But that doesn't solve all the issues they have now, that are amplified by the loss of Vanvleet. IMO I think this is a debilitating situation for them and they are going to be forced to make a move to fill those spots in the backcourt, cause it's Championship or bust for them. I can totally see them flipping Eason or JSS for depth or a short term starter. Or do you think they just roll with it?
Posted on 10/13/25 at 10:39 pm to brmark70816
quote:It’s not a tactic. I’m serious. This board, for whatever reason, thinks Jalen Green is way better than he is. I know he’s had good games against the Pelicans, so I’m assuming that’s the reason.
This is just not an effective debate tactic and I'm not taking the bait.
quote:First off, 35% is below league average. Secondly, it’s his overall TS% that is horrific. If he shot only 35% from 3 but could get to the rim and score and shoot lots of free throws and keep his TS% up, then that would be good. But he doesn’t do any of those other things. He doesn’t finish well at the rim, he doesn’t get to the line, and he isn’t a good 3 point shooter. There is literally nothing he does well.
So that performance was a negative for the team and they were better off without him..
quote:Because their defense was elite and they were the best offensive rebounding team in the past decade. Their rebounding gave them a ton of extra possessions that allowed them to have an average offense. If it wasn’t for that, their offense would be in the bottom third of the league. And Green was a big reason why. Many players can throw up an inefficient 20 point game.
They won 50+ games and he played every game.
quote:A possible improvement over Green? Are you serious right now? Have you seen Durant play lately? He’s still Kevin Durant. He averaged an extremely efficient 27 ppg last season.
It's not going to matter if he doesn't play and he can only play one spot. This isn't a referendum on Durant. I'm sure he'll be great and a possible improvement over Green. But that doesn't solve all the issues they have now, that are amplified by the loss of Vanvleet. IMO I think this is a debilitating situation for them and they are going to be forced to make a move to fill those spots in the backcourt,
And what issues are you talking about?
And no, I don’t think this is a debilitating situation for them. I actually didn’t really care for FVV running the offense. He’s a guy who dribbles the air out of the ball and plays a nice safe game. That’s fine and all, but I think it raises their floor but limits their ceiling.
Will they have to make a move? Who knows. We’ll have to see what happens. But I’m actually looking forward to seeing how they play without Fred. Two preseason games in, and so far so good.
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 10:45 pm
Posted on 10/14/25 at 3:27 am to PrimeTime Money
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It’s not a tactic. I’m serious. This board, for whatever reason, thinks Jalen Green is way better than he is. I know he’s had good games against the Pelicans, so I’m assuming that’s the reason.
I think he's an effective starting level player, that had a decent year. I don't think he's a star. But I think he was pretty important to what they did last year.
You are basically proclaiming that 3/5 of your line-up last year was either a negative or had no impact, but yet you still won a ton of games. That does not logically make sense.
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Many players can throw up an inefficient 20-point game.
It doesn't not happen often on contending teams. I can't think of any examples of it. You are totally right about the rebounding and defense, but somebody still had to score. Even if it was a bit clunky at times. You need points.
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A possible improvement over Green? Are you serious right now? Have you seen Durant play lately? He’s still Kevin Durant. He averaged an extremely efficient 27 ppg last season.
Congrats, your whole season, and franchise, is now dependent on Durant being able to maintain for another year or two. I think it's way more likely he declines substantially or even falls off completely. But they are going to coddle him, to try to reserve him for the playoffs. There is a small chance he plays over 60 games, but probably not. We'll just try to ignore him moving back down to SF (with possibly some SG) for the first time in many years.
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And what issues are you talking about?
Your guard rotation. Thompson is great and a stud. But Sheppard has to be solid. If not, you have no other options, and your depth is suspect (Holiday and Okogie?). It was already a question mark before losing VanVleet. Now it is more pronounced.
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Will they have to make a move? Who knows. We’ll have to see what happens. But I’m actually looking forward to seeing how they play without Fred. Two preseason games in, and so far so good.
We'll see how it looks tonight when we play each other, although preseason isn't the greatest indicator..
Posted on 10/14/25 at 10:42 am to brmark70816
quote:Except he’s not. He’s more like a bench scorer. A guy who is too inefficient to be a starting-caliber scorer but somebody you can play if you need some offense and hope he puts together an efficient game.
I think he's an effective starting level player
quote:Its because defense and rebounding is what won them games. Offensively, you could plug many replacement-level NBA players in and not lose anything.
You are basically proclaiming that 3/5 of your line-up last year was either a negative or had no impact, but yet you still won a ton of games. That does not logically make sense.
quote:Two things… the Rockets didn’t build their team in free agency. They built through the draft. Jalen Green is who they had, so they used him in that role. The found themselves in contention… it’s not like they sought Jalen Green as a free agency contention piece.
It doesn't not happen often on contending teams.
Secondly, most contending teams have an offense. The Rockets did not have a contender-caliber offense. They had a play-in caliber offense at best.
quote:The franchise is not dependent on Durant. He’s a guy they brought in to get to the next level. The young players, Thompson and Sengun, are the franchise. Who knows what the future holds. They might sign someone else in the future or make a trade. Who knows. But if you think the Rockets are going all in or bust with Durant, again, you’re mistaken. They gave up very little for him.
Congrats, your whole season, and franchise, is now dependent on Durant being able to maintain for another year or two. I think it's way more likely he declines substantially or even falls off completely.
quote:Of course it’s the thinnest part of the roster, but I still think they’ll be fine. Holiday has been a good player for them. Sheppard looks solid. They don’t have to be world-beaters. They just have to play a role. They have other guys at different positions who do the heavy lifting.
Your guard rotation. Thompson is great and a stud. But Sheppard has to be solid. If not, you have no other options, and your depth is suspect (Holiday and Okogie?). It was already a question mark before losing VanVleet. Now it is more pronounced.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 2:00 pm to GOP_Tiger
Dyson Daniels reportedly looking for 150M contract 
Posted on 10/16/25 at 2:06 pm to 50_Tiger
I'm glad it isn't us that has to give him a contract that big. Hope the Hawks give it to him.
Posted on 10/16/25 at 2:19 pm to 50_Tiger
quote:Sadly, he has precedent in that he is younger and probably as good or better than Suggs and that is what he got.
Dyson Daniels reportedly looking for 150M contract
Posted on 10/16/25 at 3:55 pm to 50_Tiger
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Dyson Daniels reportedly looking for 150M contract
Lol cant wait for town to say that hes worth it lolol
Posted on 10/20/25 at 2:13 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 10/20/25 at 2:17 pm to cgrand
here are the rookie extensions from dysons draft class
1. Paolo Banchero (ORL): 5-years / $241M (P)
2. Chet Holmgren (OKC): 5-years / $241M
3. Jabari Smith Jr. (HOU): 5-years/$122M
4. Keegan Murray (SAC): 5-years/$140M
7. Shaedon Sharpe (POR): 4-years/$90M
8. Dyson Daniels (ATL): 4-years/$100M
12. Jalen Williams (OKC): 5-years/$241M
21. Christian Braun (DEN): 5-years/$125M
27. Nikola Jovic (MIA): 4-years / $62.5M
1. Paolo Banchero (ORL): 5-years / $241M (P)
2. Chet Holmgren (OKC): 5-years / $241M
3. Jabari Smith Jr. (HOU): 5-years/$122M
4. Keegan Murray (SAC): 5-years/$140M
7. Shaedon Sharpe (POR): 4-years/$90M
8. Dyson Daniels (ATL): 4-years/$100M
12. Jalen Williams (OKC): 5-years/$241M
21. Christian Braun (DEN): 5-years/$125M
27. Nikola Jovic (MIA): 4-years / $62.5M
Posted on 10/20/25 at 2:18 pm to cgrand
100 mil for a guy that can't hit a ft lol
Posted on 10/20/25 at 2:59 pm to cgrand
I don't think it's a bad deal. I'm just not sure what the Hawks plan is going forward. They are not extending Young, yet. I'm afraid they might extend Porzingis, which is a horrible idea. But they are currently locked into a 3-man core with Daniels, Johnson, and Risacher. All 3 are slim forwards, with great athleticism. But I don't know if any of the 3 have all star level talent. They might be locking themselves into mediocrity..
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:06 pm to brmark70816
quote:sounds familiar don’t it?
They might be locking themselves into mediocrity..
Posted on 10/20/25 at 3:14 pm to cgrand
Happy for Dyson. He deserves a nice pay day.
Happy we aren't the one paying that for him.
Happy we aren't the one paying that for him.
Posted on 10/20/25 at 4:36 pm to TeddyPadillac
yes very much earned it. Plus he seems like he will be a durable player on top of his defensive skills. And a hard worker
I’m still pretty salty they traded him but I don’t think he liked it here anyway
I’m still pretty salty they traded him but I don’t think he liked it here anyway
Posted on 10/20/25 at 5:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Don't think that is a terrible deal for Daniels.
Happy for Dyson. He deserves a nice pay day.
Happy we aren't the one paying that for him.
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