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Most Likely Star to get traded
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:14 am
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:14 am
Here's a round table discussion of a variety of NBA writers on star player most likely to get traded this offseason. LINK
Here's the list of players and how many writers listed them as the most likely to get traded:
Oladipo - 3
Beal - 2
Jrue - 1
Chris Paul - 1
CJ McCollum - 1
LaMarcus Aldridge - 1
This got me thinking about a Jrue for Oladipo swap believing he fits the Zion timeline better, but Oladipo is already 28, only 2 years younger than Jrue. It still could be a good trade for both teams.
- Indy gets a similar caliber player with lots of ties to Indy (2 brothers on team, wife is from there, they were the big offer he turned down in FA) so he'd agree to an extension
- Pels get a defense 1st scoring guard that's a few years younger and is at least in the same tier as Jrue, and many would argue is better than Jrue, although he is coming back from a major injury.
Here's the list of players and how many writers listed them as the most likely to get traded:
Oladipo - 3
Beal - 2
Jrue - 1
Chris Paul - 1
CJ McCollum - 1
LaMarcus Aldridge - 1
This got me thinking about a Jrue for Oladipo swap believing he fits the Zion timeline better, but Oladipo is already 28, only 2 years younger than Jrue. It still could be a good trade for both teams.
- Indy gets a similar caliber player with lots of ties to Indy (2 brothers on team, wife is from there, they were the big offer he turned down in FA) so he'd agree to an extension
- Pels get a defense 1st scoring guard that's a few years younger and is at least in the same tier as Jrue, and many would argue is better than Jrue, although he is coming back from a major injury.
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Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:27 am to TigerinATL
I’d do it
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:30 am to Epic Cajun
Not sure I would do it. Oladipo certainly will bolt in 2021 so we still get nothing. He also comes off of a major injury as Jrue does not.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:34 am to NOSHAU
quote:
Oladipo certainly will bolt in 2021 so we still get nothing.
Depends on the fit, IMO.
ETA: my concern is that I don’t want to be the team that gets stuck paying Jrue 150+ million over 5 years on his next contract.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 11:42 am
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:40 am to Epic Cajun
quote:Would have a much better chance of convincing Jrue to stay than Oladipo. There has been a lot of smoke about him wanting to be in Miami.
Depends on the fit, IMO.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:43 am to NOSHAU
Look at my edit, I don’t want Jrue to stay, because I think his next deal will be a vast overpay.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:44 am to TigerinATL
While i'd love Oladipo, what i really want is a guard who can play the pick and roll game perfectly with Zion/Hayes. Someone who can get to the rim or throw the perfect alleyoop and make smart decisions with that.
CP3 is the perfect guy for that, but i can't see a realistic trade that would work for him, or if i want to go that route with the team. I do like the idea of veteran leadership while our young guys grow.
I haven't watched Oladipo enough to know if he can do that effectively like i'd like. Same goes for Beal in that regards. Of course i'd like either of them for scoring purposes, but i feel confident in Ingram handling that role, and i'd like my other scorer that plays with BI and Zion to be that lead guard that can throw the alley oop or get to the rim or just in general make the right decision to start the offense. Jrue can do that, but he's so inconsistent with it.
If i trade Jrue away, i think i'd rather get back a veteran player and good future assets, and rebuild the team over the next few years around BI and Zion. I don't know how much of an upgrade Oladip or Beal are over Jrue when you factor in both sides of the court and a better a coach.
I definitely think Aldridge is going to get traded if DeRozen opts out of his player option. SAS would be in full rebuild mode. I'm not giving up a first round pick for him though.
CP3 is the perfect guy for that, but i can't see a realistic trade that would work for him, or if i want to go that route with the team. I do like the idea of veteran leadership while our young guys grow.
I haven't watched Oladipo enough to know if he can do that effectively like i'd like. Same goes for Beal in that regards. Of course i'd like either of them for scoring purposes, but i feel confident in Ingram handling that role, and i'd like my other scorer that plays with BI and Zion to be that lead guard that can throw the alley oop or get to the rim or just in general make the right decision to start the offense. Jrue can do that, but he's so inconsistent with it.
If i trade Jrue away, i think i'd rather get back a veteran player and good future assets, and rebuild the team over the next few years around BI and Zion. I don't know how much of an upgrade Oladip or Beal are over Jrue when you factor in both sides of the court and a better a coach.
I definitely think Aldridge is going to get traded if DeRozen opts out of his player option. SAS would be in full rebuild mode. I'm not giving up a first round pick for him though.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:59 pm to TeddyPadillac
I agree that we need a guard that can run the pick and roll, or basically a half court offense at all. If we’re paying a player on this team 20+ mil (outside of BI and Zion on his next contract), that player needs to be a guard that can run a half court offense.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:17 pm to TigerinATL
If we are trading Jrue to Indy, I want Myles turner.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:47 pm to touchdownjeebus
ill take anyone with common sense.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:03 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:Do you think it would be more than Oladipo would want to stay here (if he even considers staying)?
Look at my edit, I don’t want Jrue to stay, because I think his next deal will be a vast overpay.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:35 pm to TigerinATL
Not a chance. Oladipo knows Miami is keeping 2 max slots open in 21 free agency, he will be a 1 and done before he bolts for Miami. There will be far greater trade packages for Jrue.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:49 pm to NOSHAU
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Do you think it would be more than Oladipo would want to stay here (if he even considers staying)?
IMO, I know that Jrue is not the ball handling guard that I want to pair with BI and Zion. I don’t know if that’s true in regards to Oladipo. But at least you get a year to see if Oladipo could be that piece. If he’s not a fit, then you let him leave. I don’t know that this would be my first choice for a Jrue trade, but it’s something I would consider. If I was Griffin, my goal would be to find a ball handling guard to pair with my two stars. Use whatever assets we currently have to find that player. Jrue is probably the biggest asset to use to find that player, if we’re looking for that player to be a vet (due to salary matching).
Posted on 8/28/20 at 3:55 pm to Epic Cajun
No to Oladipo. Same player as Jrue, just a little more consistent scoring but maybe a little less consistent defense.
Really need a 2 guard scorer, can defend his position and has more length.
Reason we need Jrue to be a combo guard is the lack of faith, at times, in Lonzo running a half court offense and the lack of a capable backup PG.
Jrue is not a PG. Too many turnovers when running an offense. His probing decisions are his biggest problem bc he generally makes bad reads and poor decisions in the paint, leading to deflections and turnovers.
I would only trade Jrue for Bradley Beal or an up and coming guard who has the likelihood to develop into an All-Star caliber player, 1st round picks (probability of being lottery) and a useful veteran(s) (necessary to make salaries match) . No need to take on contracts that are not viewed as part of future core and cant produce on the court or feel compelled to play said player just bc of his salary to the detriment of developing younger players.
Im starting to come around to trading Jrue, but doing so must absolutely net in making the team better immediately and future-wise. Tough proposition but doable.
Someone like Gary Trent Jr. (Portland) and one of their bigs is on my radar. And obviously Brooklyn has players that a combination would net a decent trade. Sactown is another team with pieces.
Really need a 2 guard scorer, can defend his position and has more length.
Reason we need Jrue to be a combo guard is the lack of faith, at times, in Lonzo running a half court offense and the lack of a capable backup PG.
Jrue is not a PG. Too many turnovers when running an offense. His probing decisions are his biggest problem bc he generally makes bad reads and poor decisions in the paint, leading to deflections and turnovers.
I would only trade Jrue for Bradley Beal or an up and coming guard who has the likelihood to develop into an All-Star caliber player, 1st round picks (probability of being lottery) and a useful veteran(s) (necessary to make salaries match) . No need to take on contracts that are not viewed as part of future core and cant produce on the court or feel compelled to play said player just bc of his salary to the detriment of developing younger players.
Im starting to come around to trading Jrue, but doing so must absolutely net in making the team better immediately and future-wise. Tough proposition but doable.
Someone like Gary Trent Jr. (Portland) and one of their bigs is on my radar. And obviously Brooklyn has players that a combination would net a decent trade. Sactown is another team with pieces.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 4:04 pm to TigerinATL
Not a horrible trade but I see Griffin getting more if he does trade Jrue...
Posted on 8/28/20 at 5:39 pm to irvchilichill1
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Reason we need Jrue to be a combo guard is the lack of faith, at times, in Lonzo running a half court offense and the lack of a capable backup PG.
IMO, Lonzo is an off ball (2 guard) in half court offense, and a facilitator in the transition game. Offensively, similar to Draymond. Defensively guarding 1’s and 2’s.
IMO, we need a 1 for half court offense, and I agree with you that Jrue isn’t that guy.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 5:45 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
IMO, Lonzo is an off ball (2 guard) in half court offense, and a facilitator in the transition game. Offensively, similar to Draymond. Defensively guarding 1’s and 2’
He's got too many holes in his game to be a starting 1 or a starting 2.
Can't run the pick and roll, can't really break down his man off the dribble, no pull up game, struggles with driving to the basket becuase of suspect handles.
Won't work in either spot
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 5:51 pm to TigerinATL
Wouldn’t a Jrue for Turner package make more sense?
CP3/Zion lobs would be so damn fun.
CP3/Zion lobs would be so damn fun.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 7:49 pm to Pelefraan 1
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He's got too many holes in his game to be a starting 1 or a starting 2.
Can't run the pick and roll, can't really break down his man off the dribble, no pull up game, struggles with driving to the basket becuase of suspect handles.
Won't work in either spot
Disagree, he can be a spot up threat on offense. Not every player needs to have a complete offensive game to be effective. If he can spot up in half court offense, and facilitate in transition, he can still be an effective offensive player. He doesn’t need to be option 1-3 on offense, he can be 4-5 while on the court.
Do you really think that every starter has to be able to break down their man off the dribble, run pick and roll offense, etc...? Do 3 and D players have no value to you? He should basically play the Draymond role on offense. Push the transition game off of rebounds, but if the possession slows down and is a half court possession, he should basically default to a spot up shooter. How is that not valuable?
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 8/29/20 at 2:44 am to TigerinATL
Jrue is the anchor of this team
Zion, Jrue, Ingram are untouchable.
Zion, Jrue, Ingram are untouchable.
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