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Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:59 am to
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 12:59 am to
I actually don’t really like Cole Anthony for the Pels- I’m kind of down on him in general. He has a polished offensive game, but he’s an undersized shooting guard who isn’t a plus athlete. He’ll always be limited defensively and I’m not sure he can be a player that helps you when he’s not putting the ball in the bucket.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 5:03 am to
Where are you getting this from? Every scouting report raves about his athletecism and label him as a great defender..
Posted by bctiger7
Member since Apr 2018
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:04 am to
It's gotta be Wiseman. Adding a big that could run the floor in Gentry's offense would be invaluable. I understand that Hayes fits that mold of that but he is a project and his upside on the offensive end is limited. When you look at the future of this current lineup, adding someone like Wiseman would really complete the puzzle.
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8722 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:56 am to
Those are my thoughts from watching him play while at UNC. I’ll concede that his in game defense may have been hampered by his large offensive workload, so it was probably unfair to judge based off those games.

Athletically I thought he was good, not great, at the college level. Maybe his injury held him back some.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:27 am to
quote:

It's gotta be Wiseman. 

unless another lottery miracle
he will be long gone when the pels pick.
he sure looks sweet in the little i saw.

i see guys supporting the kentucky 2 guard, only 6 3".
anyone remember ian clark?
he could not stay on.the floor for warriors in a champ run. could not guard his man..and never relaxed enough to fire from deep like in college.
no mini 2 guards. please.

my pick at 13/14

saddiq bey
6 8"
can shoot the three.
villanova soph.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29739 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:43 am to
quote:

saddiq bey
6 8"
can shoot the three.
villanova soph.



Yep.

I mentioned him weeks ago as a potential target in our pick range. I do not want to trade the pick.

almost all mocks have him going around 16th.


I would target Okoro from Auburn, Bey from Nova, Vassell from FSU, and Nesmith from Vandy. They are all projected to be picked around our pick range.

No telling how this draft will go. If you can't work out guys, it's going to be a crap shoot if all you have to go on is interviews and college/overseas play.

Okoro seems to have the most upside, as the most athletic of the bunch. He can shoot the three, but hasn't proven it like the other three have.
Vassell and Bey seem to be the most NBA ready from a defensive and shooting standpoint. Both are really good defenders.
Nesmith is the best shooter in the draft.
All are 6'6" with Bey at 6'8". Don't know their wingspans, so really doesn't matter on the heights unless you know their wingspans.

I'm specifically looking for that prototypical 3-4 that can guard the bigger 3/4's in the league and knock down some 3s in this draft.

Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13476 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 8:47 am to
quote:

unless another lottery miracle
he will be long gone when the pels pick.
he sure looks sweet in the little i saw.

i see guys supporting the kentucky 2 guard, only 6 3".
anyone remember ian clark?
he could not stay on.the floor for warriors in a champ run. could not guard his man..and never relaxed enough to fire from deep like in college.
no mini 2 guards. please.

my pick at 13/14

saddiq bey
6 8"
can shoot the three.
villanova soph.
So, you pick one small combo guard and makes that claim based on Ian Clark? I am not high on Maxey either, but you cannot lump all undersized combo guards into one group. How about Beal? Heck, Curry was considered a combo guard coming out. I don't think he will be anything like those two, but I also cannot say he will be like Clark.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 8:49 am
Posted by kadillak
Member since Nov 2007
7641 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:25 am to
Shoot, I would take Okongwu over Wiseman
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29739 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:38 am to
quote:

So, you pick one small combo guard and makes that claim based on Ian Clark? I am not high on Maxey either, but you cannot lump all undersized combo guards into one group. How about Beal?


Bradley Beal probably outweighs Clarke by 30lbs, at least.
There's a difference between a 6'3 combo guard that weighs 175, and one that weighs 210. It also make a big difference if that 6'3" combo guard has a 6'8" wingspan, or a 6'4" wingspan.
Ian Clarke plays like a 6'3" small guard. Beal plays like a 6'6" big guard.
Lillard has a 6'8" winspan, McCollum's is 6'6", and both are right at 200lbs. Even at those weights, both of those guys are liabilities on defense, same with Curry, but their offense outweighs those defensive liabilities.

If you're going to be a combo guard that weighs under 190lbs, you're going to be relegated to a bench type scorer, unless you are an elite scorer like Curry/Lillard.
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13476 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:52 am to
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Bradley Beal probably outweighs Clarke by 30lbs, at least.
There's a difference between a 6'3 combo guard that weighs 175, and one that weighs 210. It also make a big difference if that 6'3" combo guard has a 6'8" wingspan, or a 6'4" wingspan.
Ian Clarke plays like a 6'3" small guard. Beal plays like a 6'6" big guard.
Lillard has a 6'8" winspan, McCollum's is 6'6", and both are right at 200lbs. Even at those weights, both of those guys are liabilities on defense, same with Curry, but their offense outweighs those defensive liabilities.

If you're going to be a combo guard that weighs under 190lbs, you're going to be relegated to a bench type scorer, unless you are an elite scorer like Curry/Lillard.
He was talking about Maxey who is not 175 pounds. He is 200 with a 6'6" wingspan and 8'3.5" standing reach. So I do not see the comparison to Clark.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29739 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 11:01 am to
i agree.
I like Maxey, but i dont want to draft him.
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55807 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:00 pm to
Maxey just seems like a spark plug bench guy to me. Don’t really ever see him as a starter
Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55807 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

Shoot, I would take Okongwu over Wiseman


a lot of these lottery teams aren’t high on wiseman at all.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 2:20 pm to
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was talking about Maxey who is not 175 pounds. He is 200 with a 6'6" wingspan 


Clark 6 6.5" wingspan.

maxey

.292 3 pt%.


he can play down low in the phillipines in the 6 4" and under pro league.
sg who cant shoot.
lol.




This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 9:50 pm
Posted by NOSHAU
Member since Feb 2012
13476 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 3:43 pm to
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Clark 6 6.5" wingspan.
and 175 pounds. Just an odd comparison.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 9:55 pm to


maxey's .292 3 pt shooting ought to warn pels mgmt off him.

ill eat my hat if they pick him with first round pick.







Posted by Macintosh
Lane State University
Member since Sep 2011
55807 posts
Posted on 4/7/20 at 10:02 pm to
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maxey's .292 3 pt shooting ought to warn pels mgmt off him.
I mean Jaylen Brown shot 29% from 3 in college. He’s doing pretty good now. Maxey shooting free throws at 83% probably gives teams hope if they like his other skill sets
Posted by irvchilichill1
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2009
720 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 11:21 pm to
At this point u trade the pick...
Given that prospects will not have played meaningful ball in months and assumably need time to get rhythm and timing, pre-draft scouting will definitely be flawed due to lack of ability to cement scouting board and moreso for international players, plus a draft that already was relatively weak even by weak standards, u trade the pick.

Also, the timeline has begun, you have your core and will begin to have to pay as such. With Ingram and Ball soon needing new contracts and expecting to give Zion a max, the time for a championship window begins next year.

Now, a decision is needed as to whether you trade Jrue and assets to potentially gain a 3rd or 4th option player or hold on to him. The question is... The core as currently constructed, can it win next year or the following? Even with presumed progression of the other 3, im not so sure that is a championship caliber team.
There are a littany of options, due to the number of picks we have and having the ability to trade an asset like Jrue, but I believe you have to have the mindset that the core is established, championship window is now and do any of the potential rookies to be drafted SIGNIFICANTLY get you closer to that goal, next year???
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
15778 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 10:37 am to
You’d never get a good return value on the pick we will likely end up with. I would either take the guy most ready to play who is 21-22 years old and who would drop because he’s not 18-19 years old, or just take the highest upside guy and hope you can develop him.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29739 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 1:00 pm to
quote:

You’d never get a good return value on the pick we will likely end up with. I would either take the guy most ready to play who is 21-22 years old and who would drop because he’s not 18-19 years old, or just take the highest upside guy and hope you can develop him.



I agree.
That's why i like Seddiq Bey. He turns 21 today, in his 2nd year at Nova, and Nova guys have been developing into solid NBA players lately, and he made a nice jump from his freshman to sophomore year. 6'8" 220lb excellent defender who can shoot. Wingspan is likely 7'. Can't find anythign on wingspan but his last measurements in highschool said it was 6'10" and that's when he was 6'6", and he's grown 2 inches since then. Jay Wright raves about his high bball iq. The likelihood of him turning into Kawhi is slim, but I think his floor is a good role player that can give you 20+ minutes and has a great chance to be a long term starter, especially if his 3 point shooting stays up there. I can easily see him being Otto Porter or Harrison Barnes.

Saddiq Bey is the most underrated player in this class

quote:

Bey is one of the most versatile defenders in this year’s draft class. He was the best defender on Villanova this season, a year where the Wildcats finished 36th nationally and second in the Big East in adjusted defensive efficiency, according to KenPom. Throughout the season, he was given the first crack at guarding every opponent’s best perimeter weapon, from Marquette’s Markus Howard to Seton Hall’s Myles Powell to Kansas’ Devon Dotson. He has the length, the agility and the ability to flip his hips, which allows him to keep the quicker guards from turning a corner and beating him to the rim. He’s also able to navigate screens and keeps shooters from getting open looks off of pindowns.

Over the course of the last five years, Villanova has grown into being a program that is known for their ability to develop NBA role players. Part of the reason their alumni have success in the NBA is that Jay Wright loves switching defensively and does not mind having his guys guard bad matchups. That was no different this past season. It’s why I project Bey as a plus-defender in the NBA. It’s not hard to find clips of him walling up against bigger defenders and holding his own in the post. And while he’s not a great rebounder statistically, it’s also not all that hard to find examples of him boxing out much bigger, much better rebounders in front of the rim.

He’s a three that can stay in front of point guards and hold his own against fours in the paint.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 1:02 pm
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