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Let's review David Griffin's tenure
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:08 am
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:08 am
These are the majority of moves he has made until now, and whether, simply in the context of where the players are TODAY or what they did in a Pels uniform, it is a Hit or Miss.
The assets he started with are Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, a multitude of picks and pick swaps, and Zion.
Trading 4 for Jaxson Hayes and NAW and Cap Space: Miss
Jaxson Hayes: Miss
NAW: Miss
JJ Redick (he used the cap space for this): Miss.
Nicolo Melli: Miss
Didi Louzada (who he signed to a multiyear deal) Miss
Trade for Favors: Miss
Retained Alvin Gentry: Miss
Massive PR Mismanagement of Zion INjury: Miss
Extended BI: Hit
Hired SVG: Miss
Kira Lewis: Miss
Jrue Holiday for Multiple Firsts, Eric Bledsoe etc: ?? Possible Miss, seemed a good trade at the time.
Eric Bledsoe: Massive Miss
Traded 1st for Adams: Massive Miss
traded conditional first for Graham: ?? Possible Hit, jury out
Trey Murphy: Jury is still out, possible hit
Herb Jones: HIT.
Trade Lonzo Ball for Sato and Temple, extend Temple: MISS
Trade for and Extend Jonas Val: HIT.
Massive PR Mismanagemnt of Zion Injury Part 2: Miss
Thoughts?
The assets he started with are Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, a multitude of picks and pick swaps, and Zion.
Trading 4 for Jaxson Hayes and NAW and Cap Space: Miss
Jaxson Hayes: Miss
NAW: Miss
JJ Redick (he used the cap space for this): Miss.
Nicolo Melli: Miss
Didi Louzada (who he signed to a multiyear deal) Miss
Trade for Favors: Miss
Retained Alvin Gentry: Miss
Massive PR Mismanagement of Zion INjury: Miss
Extended BI: Hit
Hired SVG: Miss
Kira Lewis: Miss
Jrue Holiday for Multiple Firsts, Eric Bledsoe etc: ?? Possible Miss, seemed a good trade at the time.
Eric Bledsoe: Massive Miss
Traded 1st for Adams: Massive Miss
traded conditional first for Graham: ?? Possible Hit, jury out
Trey Murphy: Jury is still out, possible hit
Herb Jones: HIT.
Trade Lonzo Ball for Sato and Temple, extend Temple: MISS
Trade for and Extend Jonas Val: HIT.
Massive PR Mismanagemnt of Zion Injury Part 2: Miss
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 9:15 am
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:12 am to Fun Bunch
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Thoughts?
You should have just listed the hits.
If the stories of Zion having friction with the keyboard man are true then your star player and the fans don't like him. He needs to be a lot better at his job than he is to survive that. He really needs to fall on the sword at the end of the season.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:13 am to Fun Bunch
I thought is David Griffin is a bum who rode Lebum’s coat tails
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:17 am to Fun Bunch
I think you can give a hit or miss on having the #4 pick. You'd expect to get at worst a rotation player out of that, and i think we may have that with both of them in backup roles, but yes i'd expect both of them to be better by now.
I do'nt think you can call hit or miss on a #13 pick. It's such a crap shoot. I won't be mad if Kira doesn't work out, and i'm not going to play revisionist history, even though i was calling for Bey and Maxey all night.
I wouldn't call #10 a miss, b/c it landed us Val and Trey, and i think that's a good return for that pick, regardless of what Trey turns into.
I'll continue to say i don't care about giving up assets, even if more than we probably should have, if it makes us better, but giving up that first was so stupidly unnecessary, even though i like getting Graham.
i think it's well known how i feel about Griffin.
I do'nt think you can call hit or miss on a #13 pick. It's such a crap shoot. I won't be mad if Kira doesn't work out, and i'm not going to play revisionist history, even though i was calling for Bey and Maxey all night.
I wouldn't call #10 a miss, b/c it landed us Val and Trey, and i think that's a good return for that pick, regardless of what Trey turns into.
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traded conditional first for Graham: ?? Possible Hit, jury out
I'll continue to say i don't care about giving up assets, even if more than we probably should have, if it makes us better, but giving up that first was so stupidly unnecessary, even though i like getting Graham.
i think it's well known how i feel about Griffin.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 9:20 am
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:22 am to Fun Bunch
Lying sack of shite. He makes Dell Demps look like Rob Pelinka
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:26 am to TeddyPadillac
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I do'nt think you can call hit or miss on a #13 pick. It's such a crap shoot.
it is a crap shoot, but it is his job to hit on picks.
He didn't, so far.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:26 am to Fun Bunch
all good.
i would tweak Miss on 4th for hayes and naw to Massive Miss. because not only was Hunter available at 4 but if you do the deal for 8 and 17 better players that i would have taken at 8 were passed to take hayes who was neither basketball ready nor emotionally mature.
naw was excusable later in draft (upside as scorer) but its still a miss.
i would tweak Miss on 4th for hayes and naw to Massive Miss. because not only was Hunter available at 4 but if you do the deal for 8 and 17 better players that i would have taken at 8 were passed to take hayes who was neither basketball ready nor emotionally mature.
naw was excusable later in draft (upside as scorer) but its still a miss.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:33 am to TeddyPadillac
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won't be mad if Kira doesn't work out, and i'm not going to play revisionist history, even though i was calling for Bey and Maxey all night.
i also wanted Bey. our posts are on record so its not revisionist history while we do this assessment.
bey was not a super high ceiling choice. hes solid.
i like solid.
pels mgmt went for a miracle. and flopped.
fwiw i didnt see maxey like you did. you were right.
sure looked the part in playoffs.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 9:38 am
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:48 am to CelticDog
You forget that when he got here, he jettisoned Christian Wood and Julius Randle
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:49 am to saints5021
I have a really low opinion of Christian Wood so I'm not the one to argue that.
I also won't blame him for Julius Randle because no one thought he would turn out like did, probably not even the Knicks.
I also won't blame him for Julius Randle because no one thought he would turn out like did, probably not even the Knicks.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:58 am to TeddyPadillac
quote:11 games into year 3, I don't see how it can be thought of as anything other than a miss. There may still be some hope, but as of now, it's a miss.
I think you can give a hit or miss on having the #4 pick. You'd expect to get at worst a rotation player out of that, and i think we may have that with both of them in backup roles, but yes i'd expect both of them to be better by now.
Like you said, we'd expect at worst a rotation player, and 3 years in, we do not have a rotational player from that pick.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 10:00 am
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:00 am to Fun Bunch
quote:We also couldn't have offered him anywhere near what he left us for.
I also won't blame him for Julius Randle because no one thought he would turn out like did, probably not even the Knicks.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:01 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
it is a crap shoot, but it is his job to hit on picks.
my point is i'm not going to fault someone for missing at 13.
I am going to hold you accountable for what you do with the #4 pick, b/c you shouldn't miss there. A miss at #4 is you found a rotation player that may or may not be a starter. There's been 4 complete busts drafted at #4 in the last 20 years, and 4 all stars. the other 16 players are at a minimum a rotation player.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:02 am to saints5021
quote:
You forget that when he got here, he jettisoned Christian Wood and Julius Randle
...For Melli and Okafor, yikes
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:07 am to saints5021
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You forget that when he got here, he jettisoned Christian Wood and Julius Randle
We couldn't offer what the Knicks did for Randle, so you can't be mad at that.
Wood is a punk. No one wants him, and no team will succeed with him on it as a prominent player.
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Big man Christian Wood, the Rockets' leading scorer, indicated after Saturday's 1 point loss to the Nuggets that he'd like to be featured more prominently in the offense. "I think it could have been better if I was more involved in the offense," Wood said after scoring 12 points on 4-of-11 shooting. He didn't get his wish in a loss to the Warriors on Sunday, when Wood had four points on 2-of-5 shooting, the fewest points and field goal attempts he has had in any game with the Rockets.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:11 am to TeddyPadillac
I blame him as well for not sending Lonzo out sooner. The fit was never there and he could have been diverted the minute he was traded here.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:18 am to Fun Bunch
quote:
Trading 4 for Jaxson Hayes and NAW and Cap Space: Miss
Jaxson Hayes: Miss
NAW: Miss
I think we need to wait to see what roles they play once our entire team is healthy. They could end up being key contributors off the bench once the dominoes fall (starters move to prominent roles off the bench and bench players move from PT to the end of the bench). The bench is woefully bad because some guys are getting key minutes that should not be. and that could be affecting others in a negative way. If you provide a better product (better second team), I believe everyone benefits from it. Plus, many will benefit from the gravity that is Zion (assuming he comes back and plays like last year or better).
I would rate them as IC. Murphy too.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 10:20 am
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:19 am to TeddyPadillac
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Wood is a punk. No one wants him, and no team will succeed with him on it as a prominent player.
Quality player on bad rebuilding team still gives a shite and wants the chance to help his team win.....not sure that snippet is exemplifying what I am guessing you were trying to show?
Rockets would be dumb not to be dangling he, Gordon, and Wall(not that anyone would take that on besides maybe the Lakers in desperation) on the trade market. Because those goes are absolutely being wasted in Houston and are probably at their peak value with one additional year left for Wood/Gordon.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:21 am to Jimmie the Geek
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They could end up being key contributors off the bench once the dominoes fall
I mean how?
They are only being played off the bench now. And have played a majority of their games with BI.
I expect some natural season progression, but Kira has a LONG way to go to even be a reliable role player in this league.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 10:22 am to TeddyPadillac
That's fine, but I am listing every major transaction and whether currently it is a Hit or Miss. That is it, nothing more than that.
its not about one transaction but the totality
its not about one transaction but the totality
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