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DeionDeion
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Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
Prospects if we keep #4: Garland, Culver, Hunter, & Coby White

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Darius Garland Overview

Garland left the draft combine, most likely because he got a promise from a team in the lottery. It's looking almost certain that he gets drafted in the 4-8 range.

Strengths
Garland does a great job of drawing the defense and is a master of using the dribble to create passing angles. He sees the play before it happens and passes teammates open. Has nice pass-ahead ability in transition.
Garland is a creative scorer who is adept at using either hand around the rim. He has a good feel for creating space in the lane to score over taller defenders. Has a soft floater and knows when to use it. Pushes the ball well and can take it coast to coast for the score. Catches the defense off guard with his open court speed.
Has a silkly smooth jumper with a beautiful release. Does a good job of using the dribble to shake free for jumpers and can shoot it with range. Has the type of scoring ability and range that is highly coveted in the modern NBA game.
Garland has quick hands and is a pesky defender who isn't afraid to mix it up.
Plays a refreshing brand of basketball, as a team first player.

Weaknesses
Very thin and light and will likely struggle to put on weight. Will have a tough time matching up against NBA size and guarding NBA PGs.
Isn't much of an above the rim player and isn't the most explosive athlete.
Recovering from injury (meniscus in left knee).

Comparisons
A bigger Jeff Teague
Has some shades of Dame


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Jarrett Culver Overview
Culver has come on strong in his Sophomore season and is putting up big number with great efficiency. He's grown a few inches from last year without losing his speed. If he measures well at the combine he could lock up a spot in the top half of the lottery.

Strengths
Has an overall great feel for the game and plays both ends.
An elite level shooter who can knock down shots from anywhere on the floor and is very efficient. Scores from three levels and has a pure stroke.
A crafty ball handler and play maker who moves the ball well after collapsing the defense with the dribble. He's a really high level passer.
Has a soft touch around the rim and a natural feel for putting the ball in the bucket.
Knows how to move without the ball to find space for his shot.
Can guard nearly every position and is a real menace in the passing lanes and on the ball.

Weaknesses
Struggles from the FT line.
Has somewhat of a slow wind-up on his jumper (but the ball goes in the basket).

Comparisons
Stacey Augmon
What Evan Turner was supposed to be.
Kendall Gill
He's got a little Paul Pierce in his game.



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DeAndre Hunter Overview
Hunter is a high level defender with an NBA frame and upside on the offensive end. He excels at slashing to the basket and can also hit the three point shot. He's old for his class but he still has a lot of upside to develop in to. His versatility, defense, team-first play and ability to hit the corner three could make him a lottery pick in June.

Strengths
Plays a complete game, impacts both ends of the floor and gives great effort
A versatile defender with great size on the perimeter and enough size/strength to hold his own in the post
Slashing ability and off the ball movement
Can score through contact
Can score in the post and from mid range
An efficient shooter with 3 point range and a shot that projects well to the next level
Rebounds at a high level and has good instincts and a nose for the ball
Plays above the rim
Has the overall versatility that is highly valued in today's NBA

Weaknesses
Not the most creative offensive player - straight-line driver, catch and shoot player
Will have to improve his ball handling at the next level
Doesn't have the quickest release on his shot

Comparisons
if Rondae Hollis-Jefferson had a sweet three point shot
Mikal Bridges with better strength


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Coby White Overview
A walking bucket, White is a pure scorer with a nose for the basket. Has good quickness and strength and is excellent at creating space for his shot. He lacks high end athleticism but has more than enough ability to hold is own at the next level.

Strengths
Can really fill it up - a natural born scorer with great instincts for getting into the lane and finding his shot
Scores from three levels
Has offensive versatility - can play on or off the ball
A leader who plays with passion
Has a powerful build and quick first step, making him very hard to stop one on one
Has good lateral quickness
Changes speeds well and can get the defender off balance with his stop/start ability
A deft ball handler and passer who has some good lead guard skills
One of the better 3 point shooters in the land

Weaknesses
Is not a big time run/jump athlete - more of a below the rim player
Lacks ideal size for playing off the ball and doesn't have great length

Comparisons
Cuttino Mobley
Jamal Murray




Trades Options for #4
-unsure how realistic some of these trades are, but I know that they have been talked about
-these trades are simply the basic framework

#4 to Orlando for Aaron Gordon
-not sure if Orlando goes for it, but he's a guy that could fit really well next to Zion
-Gordon is not a 5, more of a combo-forward but is a freak athlete worth the risk
-23 year old that will be making $22 mil over the next 3 years

#4 to Indiana for Myles Turner
-all-nba defense potential that is a career 36% 3PT shooter
-starting a 4 yr/$72 mil deal this upcoming season

#4 to Hawks for #8, #17, & 2nd rounder
-one of Garland/White/Culver/Hunter will fall to #8
-get Goga, NAW, or Okeke at #17
-love all 3 of those guys


#4 & future pick to Memphis for #2
-not sure I'm a fan of this one

#4. Moore, Solo, & BI (or Lonzo) to Washington for Bradley Beal
-the dream
This post was edited on 6/18 at 10:09 am


NOSHAU
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
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#4 to Orlando for Aaron Gordon
-not sure if Orlando goes for it, but he's a guy that could fit really well next to Zion
-Gordon is not a 5, more of a combo-forward but is a freak athlete worth the risk
-23 year old that will be making $22 mil over the next 3 years

#4 to Indiana for Myles Turner
-all-nba defense potential that is a career 36% 3PT shooter
-starting a 4 yr/$72 mil deal this upcoming season
Really like trading for Turner. Something like #4 and Hill/Moore for Turner and #18 (if salary needs to match).

As far as Atlanta, I would trade 4 for 8 and 10 only if they took Hill.


schwartzy
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
I really like the Garland pick at 4 because we need a pure shooter.


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macaoidh
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
I'd package Ball, Solomon Hill and the #4 pick to Atlanta for John Collins and #8, and maybe their #1 in 2020 if I can get it.

At #8 you should be able to get Coby White. And you'd be set up for a starting lineup of Collins, Zion, Ingram, Holiday and White.


DeionDeion
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
I think Turner on top of my wish list as well. But it's really hard for me to see Indiana being willing to trade him


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teke184
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
The Atlanta deal, in some form, is the most realistic possibility.


Atlanta has the 8, 10, 17(?), their own 2020, and the Nets’ 2020 to work with plus players.

If they want the 4, they have the assets to get us what they want if they offer the right combination.


I’d want the 8, a player, and probably a 2020 pick.

I don’t see the 10 as a possibility because that is too many rookies and dropping from 4 to 10 puts us on a worse tier of prospects than dropping to the 8.

The 17 would be a possibility if we wanted a draft and stash player.

Either 2020 pick gives us a lot of material to work with whether we keep the pick or not, as it is potential trade bait to get a specific player we want.


NOSHAU
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
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Either 2020 pick gives us a lot of material to work with whether we keep the pick or not, as it is potential trade bait to get a specific player we want.

Not real interested in Nets pick as it is lottery protected for several years.


DeionDeion
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
Atlanta already has Trae Young. Can't see them having interest in Ball. And I cannot see them giving up Collins. I think he's the most untouchable player on their roster


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CP3forMVP
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
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Really like trading for Turner.


I like Turner, but you have to put a better rebounder next to Zion. His rebound rate is similar to Al-Farouq Aminu, Jabari Parker, Rudy Gay, Ben Simmons, and Luka Doncic.


LosLobos111
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
Alex Len as a throw in

Maybe bembry instead?


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BallHawk
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
Kevon Looney is the perfect fit and doesn’t require a lot of minutes


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DeionDeion
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
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I’d want the 8, a player, and probably a 2020 pick.


If that's the route you're going I think Bazemore, #8, and a future asset for #4 is pretty realistic. Basically taking on money for more assets while getting a decent player. We'll call it the Langdon special
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teke184
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
Depending on when it conveys, it may be worth something to us.

What if, say, the protections fell off for 2022 when there is a double class?

That would be worth a lot more than a normal pick regardless of where it fell.


teke184
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
Downside to Bazemore is that he kills our cap room this year if we don’t send Hill out.

If both stay, that should give us a max slot for next offseason, which is supposed to be a shite FA class outside of AD.


DeionDeion
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
Imo I don't think having a max slot available for FA is the goal for us right now. I think taking on contracts for players/picks is the way to maximize our current and future roster


NOSHAU
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
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If that's the route you're going I think Bazemore, #8, and a future asset for #4 is pretty realistic. Basically taking on money for more assets while getting a decent player. We'll call it the Langdon special
I wouldn't take on $19 million to allow them to jump 4 spots.


kadillak
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
If we stay at 4, I would like Garland. I'd prefer to trade it down to Atlanta for 8 and 17 and grab Hayes and then either Grant or NAWalker.

With that said, I don't know if we want to be developing 3 first rounders at the same time.
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NOSHAU
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
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Depending on when it conveys, it may be worth something to us.

What if, say, the protections fell off for 2022 when there is a double class?

That would be worth a lot more than a normal pick regardless of where it fell.

When the protection falls off, it turns into 2 2nd round picks.


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teke184
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
Taking on picks and contracts is one thing. Taking on Bazemore’s deal better pay more than a 2020 pick given that we are also moving back from 4 to 8.


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DeionDeion
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re: Lets Consolidate the Talk for #4
I agree that's why I added a future asset in there. Whether that's their #17 pick, a future first, or Alex Len or a combination of the 3
This post was edited on 6/17 at 10:08 am


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