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L2M report shows SGA charge should have been blocking on Herb
Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:49 pm
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The NBA's Last Two Minute report on Tuesday said Oklahoma City Thunder guard Shai Gilgeous-Alexander should have gone to the line with 2.3 seconds remaining and a chance to tie the game instead of picking up a charge call against New Orleans Pelicans forward Herb Jones on Monday night. In the waning seconds, with the Pelicans holding on to a 103-101 lead, Gilgeous-Alexander drove the lane while Jones slid in front to take the contact. The official closest to the play, Matt Myers, called the charge while James Williams looked as if he were going to call the block.
This looks bad, but the L2M also shows 3 missed calls in favor of the Pels that should have given us a total of 5 free throws in the last minute.
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While the Last Two Minute report said Gilgeous-Alexander should have been at the line with a chance to tie the game, there were three other blown calls that could have made that a moot point. With 1:14 left, Gilgeous-Alexander should have been called for a defensive three-second violation, giving the Pelicans a technical free throw and the ball. The Pelicans did hit a 3-pointer on that possession to give them a 100-98 lead. Dyson Daniels also should have gone to the free-throw line twice in the final 34 seconds. With 34.0 left after recovering a loose ball in the corner, Gilgeous-Alexander should have been called for a foul for making contact with Daniels' body. That play resulted in a jump ball that Daniels won, but the Pelicans missed a 3-pointer on their possession. Also, when that 3-pointer went up, Thunder guard Lu Dort moved forward into Daniels' body, according to the report, and Daniels should have been awarded free throws with 9.5 to play.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 4:59 pm to Fun Bunch
We've been on the receiving end of that stick for years now... so cry me a river especially when you get 20fta in the same game on the fricking road.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 5:05 pm to supe12sta12z
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so cry me a river especially when you get 20fta in the same game on the fricking road.
And Zion gets ONE FT the whole game when scoring 90% of his points in the paint/restricted area.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 5:05 pm to Soggymoss
They thought that should have been a block?? Did I not see SGA absolutely lower his shoulder into Herb. I thought that was an obvious charge. Wow.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 5:17 pm to LSUgrad88
I don’t watch baseball. Are umpires as bad as football and basketball refs?
Posted on 11/29/22 at 5:17 pm to Soggymoss
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The NBA's Last Two Minute report on Tuesday said Oklahoma City Thunder guard Shai Gilgeous-Alexander should have gone to the line with 2.3 seconds remaining and a chance to tie the game instead of picking up a charge call against New Orleans Pelicans forward Herb Jones on Monday night.
Sounds like the L2M is wrong, b/c that was a charge, and i'd say it was a charge if it was the other way around. Herb beat him to the spot and SGA put his shoulder into Herb's chest, which is the easiest indication of it being a charge. It should be shown to defenders on how to take a charge. Of course Herb is moving, he's allowed to as long as he stays between his man and the goal the whole time. No you can't run under someone and cut them off. That's a charge, but that's not what Herb did.
I find it appalling that they can look at that and think it's a blocking foul. You shouldn't be a ref if you think that's a block.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 5:19 pm to LSUgrad88
Yeah I don’t understand why they thought that should have been a block. It appeared to be how they want defenders to play.
SGA had like 15 FTs
Zion didn’t get 1 until the end of the game.
Total bull shite officiating right there.
SGA had like 15 FTs
Zion didn’t get 1 until the end of the game.
Total bull shite officiating right there.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 5:44 pm to Colonel Flagg
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SGA had like 15 FTs
He had 18 of their 23 ft attempts
Posted on 11/29/22 at 5:47 pm to DBeaux225
And 10 of them were bullshite
Posted on 11/29/22 at 5:48 pm to ghost2most
They definitely can be. But the catcher plays a huge role there too with how the frame the box.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 5:58 pm to Soggymoss
Game over. Pels win. How many games have we watched where James gets every call. Are just go back to last season when the refs were giving Chrissy Paul every call in the playoffs. GTFOH Baw
Posted on 11/29/22 at 6:43 pm to BowDownToLSU
Right? How does Paul head butt Jose and yet it's a foul on Jose lmao
Posted on 11/29/22 at 6:48 pm to Colonel Flagg
I realize it no longer matters, but I would love to read an explanation of why that’s a block. Herb is definitely not moving side to side. If anything he’s backing up and there is no question the contact is initiated by the lowering of the shoulder by SGA. You don’t have to be stationary if the contact is initiated by the offensive player. The more I think about that the more it confuses me.
** Upon reading the explanation again they say Herb “slid in front .” That implies he’s moving side to side and he absolutely wasn’t. What a clown show the L2M report is if that’s what they concluded.
** Upon reading the explanation again they say Herb “slid in front .” That implies he’s moving side to side and he absolutely wasn’t. What a clown show the L2M report is if that’s what they concluded.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 11/29/22 at 6:51 pm to LSUgrad88
This is their comment on the report
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Comment:Jones (NOP) moves laterally into Gilgeous-Alexander's (OKC) path, and does not establish a legal guarding position in his path prior to contact.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 6:53 pm to Soggymoss
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moves laterally
Thanks. Unbelievable. That is categorically false. Herb was absolutely not moving laterally. I watched it several times on replay. Who is preparing these reports?? It’s insane.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 6:57 pm to LSUgrad88
Video
Looking at the video over and over, it does appear Herb is still moving and never gets set before SGA hits him.
In full speed it’s definitely bang bang and very easy to miss, IMO it was a block, but the way they called the game all night I’m glad we actually came out on the side of a beneficial call.
Looking at the video over and over, it does appear Herb is still moving and never gets set before SGA hits him.
In full speed it’s definitely bang bang and very easy to miss, IMO it was a block, but the way they called the game all night I’m glad we actually came out on the side of a beneficial call.
Posted on 11/29/22 at 6:59 pm to Soggymoss
quote:The heck he didn't? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. He clearly beat him to the spot and was in position.
Comment:Jones (NOP) moves laterally into Gilgeous-Alexander's (OKC) path, and does not establish a legal guarding position in his path prior to contact.
This is like catches in NBA/CFB... No idea what a catch is , no idea what a block/charge is.
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 11/29/22 at 7:02 pm to shel311
NM
This post was edited on 11/29/22 at 7:03 pm
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