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re: Kobe > Anthony Davis?
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:44 pm to Fearthehat0307
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:44 pm to Fearthehat0307
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:47 pm to rjlsu985
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Would you take rather take advice from a person who doesn't have kids about parenting your child or from someone who does have kids?
I'm a little late to the game, but I just wanted to point out that this analogy is terribly flawed. The correct analogy would have been, "Would you rather take advice about parenting from someone who has analyzed kids for years or from someone who was once a kid but has no qualifications beyond that?" The answer is obvious.
In this analogy, child is to parent as player is to coach.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:49 pm to Boomshockalocka
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I prefer defensive win shares
I'm sure you do. It's a stat derived from DRTG which is heavily influenced by team defensive efficiency. Look no further than basketball reference's notes on DRTG
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Out of necessity (owing to a lack of defensive data in the basic boxscore), individual Defensive Ratings are heavily influenced by the team's defensive efficiency.
I even made the important part clear for you. Defensive RPM however adjusts for the effects of teammates and who you play against.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 9:55 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
Durants real +/- is -1.03
Westbrooks is 1.41 good for 20th among PGs
It is obviously affected by games played. Dwight has missed a bunch of games so you may as well throw this stat out of the window when comparing players who have played different amounts of games. Unless Shawne Williams is better than Durant of course.
Westbrooks is 1.41 good for 20th among PGs
It is obviously affected by games played. Dwight has missed a bunch of games so you may as well throw this stat out of the window when comparing players who have played different amounts of games. Unless Shawne Williams is better than Durant of course.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:09 pm to Boomshockalocka
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It is obviously affected by games played.
Obviously, the problem is that Dwight has played 1 less game then Durant and Westbrook have combined. Boogie Cousins only played 15 games and he is 2nd in Centers in DRPM. The stat is calculated adjusting for every possession on the YTD, so obviously more possessions (games) gives you a clearer picture. That doesn't change the fact that adjusted for teammates/opponents dwight's defensive impact in 10 games is much smaller than Davis' impact. When Dwight has played 20 games I'll even bump the thread for you when Davis through 20 games is still more impactful.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:16 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
Just on FG% at the rim alone D12 is worth a couple points per game more than davis. And those are on actual attempts we aren't even taking into account the impact of Dwight effect.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:18 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Just on FG% at the rim alone D12 is worth a couple points per game more than davis. And those are on actual attempts we aren't even taking into account the impact of Dwight affect.
Whatever you say
I shouldn't derail the thread anymore, but you will be happy to hear Harden is 5th in DRPM at his position.Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:23 pm to LSUSaintsHornets
Davis allows 50% at the rim, D12 39.5% (3.8fgm/9.6fga). If D12 was as bad as Davis and allowed 50% at the rim that would be 4.8/9.6(50%).
Dwight at 50% would allow 4.8fgm/game, currently he allows 3.8fgm/game. That is 1 fgm/game = 2 points
So, yea you are right "whatever I say".
In an average 100 possession NBA game those 2 points would move the Pels team D from 25th to 17th.
Dwight at 50% would allow 4.8fgm/game, currently he allows 3.8fgm/game. That is 1 fgm/game = 2 points
So, yea you are right "whatever I say".
In an average 100 possession NBA game those 2 points would move the Pels team D from 25th to 17th.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 10:26 pm
Posted on 12/11/14 at 10:32 pm to Boomshockalocka
That's nice. I'm so glad you gave me your expert statistical analysis on rim defense which is the only kind of defense that can be played and the sole determining factor of a player's defensive impact. Thank you for sharing.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 10:57 am to LSUSaintsHornets
So have we figured out if Kobe is indeed > AD?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:10 am to Epic Cajun
I think we settled at AD > D12
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:35 pm to PrimeTime Money
quote:You can't blame Davis for what his team does when he's sitting on the bench.
Well, you may think Davis is a better player, but the fact is that Harden has led a team of nobodies to a 16-4 record so far with all of the injuries they've had.
Davis' performances haven't really translated to a great record.
So that has some weight to it when talking about MVP
FWIW, the biggest difference between the 2 players, in a team context, is what happens when both are on the bench, which kinda nullifies your "team of nobodies" argument for Harden, as that would make Davis's team even worse than that.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:37 pm to rjlsu985
quote:So you blame Davis, specifically, for how awful his team is when he's on the bench, does that really make sense in your eyes?
Yes his numbers are great but is it translating to WINS? No .
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:07 pm to shel311
quote:The problem is if you're going to say his team is awful then that takes away from he great he supposedly is. That would imply that his numbers are padded because he plays on a bad team so which one is?
So you blame Davis, specifically, for how awful his team is when he's on the bench, does that really make sense in your eyes?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:06 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Dwight affect.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 5:59 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
How many years till Lakers get Davis. Pels better make hay while the sun is still shining. Get off your arse Pels and get some winning talent so Davis don't leave.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:30 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Just on FG% at the rim alone D12 is worth a couple points per game more than davis. And those are on actual attempts we aren't even taking into account the impact of Dwight effect.
Link? AD isn't a center. He has not contested as many shots as Dwight. Asik does that and is not that far behind Dwight. And The Dwight Effect has been non-existent this year. Doesn't he have the 3rd most shots attempted against him?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:33 pm to rjlsu985
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The problem is if you're going to say his team is awful then that takes away from he great he supposedly is. That would imply that his numbers are padded because he plays on a bad team so which one is?
Wrong. The team is pretty good when he is on the floor. They just blow the game when he is off. You can't pad your stats on the bench. He's not taking nearly as many shots as he should be on ANY team in the NBA. FG% is too high. And he's not turning it over. So I don't see how he is benefitting from being on a bad team stats wise.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 8:02 pm to TheSexecutioner
quote:. You right that's why kevin love who put up monster numbers on a bad Twolves team the last few years is putting up lower numbers on a cavs team this year.
Wrong. The team is pretty good when he is on the floor. They just blow the game when he is off. You can't pad your stats on the bench. He's not taking nearly as many shots as he should be on ANY team in the NBA. FG% is too high. And he's not turning it over. So I don't see how he is benefitting from being on a bad team stats wise.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 8:30 pm to rjlsu985
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You right that's why kevin love who put up monster numbers on a bad Twolves team the last few years is putting up lower numbers on a cavs team this year.
His numbers are down early in a year while adjusting to a new team and system? Shocking. Truly.
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