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re: Kira vs NAW

Posted on 2/7/21 at 3:54 pm to
Posted by The_Duke
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 2/7/21 at 3:54 pm to
He’s about the same height and build as Ja. Should have seen that last night. Def needs the weight room but they have similar builds
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

he's listed at 6'1 on some sites.


Somehow Wikipedia has it wrong (6'1) when just about every other site has him @ 6'3

It is very shite, I agree
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:01 pm to
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Why are you trying to make NAW a PG when Kira is sitting 40 cm away from you


Right or wrong I think the answer has been there from Griff/SVG since the start of the season(and last year in Griff’s case).

They both believe in easing young players into court time unless you are some Zion level talent. Getting the off the court habits built properly and proving it in practice. And so I think in that context you see why NAW is playing where he is.
Posted by nicj4
Guadeloupe
Member since Jan 2020
758 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:02 pm to
Basketball Reference lists him at 6'1 also.
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 4:03 pm
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

They both believe in easing young players into court time unless you are some Zion level talent. Getting the off the court habits built properly and proving it in practice. And so I think in that context you see why NAW is playing where he is.


I still don't think that's a good enough reason to send NAW out there on point guard island

He's a combo guard who leans quite heavily to the scoring side

But we're strictly playing him as the primary playmaker when he sees the court

It's like when we always played Frank Jackson as a point guard

It's infuriating to me. Play your dudes to their strengths early on in their careers, then add to them later
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 4:08 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73893 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:21 pm to
NAW has played 3% of his minutes at PF, 80% at SG, and 16% at SF

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20657 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:23 pm to
I don't know where that's coming from, but it isn't accurate.
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:26 pm to
Yeah I'm gonna have to pull you up on 80% at SG bro

Also lol @ any minutes at PF
This post was edited on 2/7/21 at 4:28 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73893 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:27 pm to
Kira measured 6’3” 165 with a 6’5” wingspan and 8’5” standing reach back in 2018 at the Team USA U18 training camp. Being that he’s only 19, I would say his growth is still fluid

I know his trainer put him at 185 going into this season
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:27 pm to
I’m guessing BBall Reference?

Not sure how they determine that, Cleaning the glass does it based on who they are with in their given lineup:

Shows him 34% at point, 62% at SG, 4% at SF.
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:28 pm to
Be nice if Kira got to 6'4

Fox is definitely at 6'5 after being 6'3 at the combine
Posted by Pelefraan 1
Member since Jan 2018
6706 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

Shows him 34% at point, 62% at SG, 4% at SF.


Anyone who's watched more than 2 Pels games could tell you that NAW has not played 2/3rds at SG
Posted by GynoSandberg
Bay St Louis, MS
Member since Jan 2006
73893 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:38 pm to
NAW has ran PG in a lineup with Adams, Ingram, Hart, Thornwell. That represents a small fraction of his minutes

The other lineups consist of Bledsoe and Ball, who split their time at Pg and off the ball. And JJ has facilitated offense some as the lead ball handler when he and NAW are the guards
Posted by Bronc
Member since Sep 2018
12646 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 4:38 pm to
He plays a lot with either Bled or Lonzo who tend to be staggered so it’s not that crazy. He’s played 753 possessions according to Cleaning the Glass, only 250 of them have been without one of Bled, Lonzo, or Kira on the court with him. So roughly 33% of his minutes in lineups without a point guard.

I think what you are frustrated with is that he is being asked to initiate the offense while on the court a lot, and I agree he isn’t best suited in that role.

However, for him to have a place in this league he either needs to get significantly better and more reliable as a spot up shooter and cutter, or he needs to be able to effectively be a secondary creator that is going to need to run the offense for you from time to time like a Jordan Clarkson or Lou Williams.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
33396 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 6:50 pm to
You see naw as as crawford/ williams type?
Posted by PTinBR
Member since Mar 2017
639 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 7:26 pm to
I would really like to see NAW and Kira on the floor together. Their skill sets should compliment each other, and NAW’s defense has improved enough from last year that they shouldn’t be unplayable as a duo.
Posted by J_Hingle
LA
Member since Jun 2013
5381 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 9:55 pm to
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I want to see if NAW can get his shot going if he's in a strictly off ball/scoring rol


I feel like we’ve been waiting for him to get his shot going for about 2 years. The truth is he is not a good basketball player right now. Maybe that changes maybe it doesn’t, but as of now he was a wasted pick
Posted by LouisianaJoseph
Denver
Member since Apr 2018
1427 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 10:08 pm to
What? He didn't even play last season. A few minutes here and there doesn't count.
Posted by J_Hingle
LA
Member since Jun 2013
5381 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 10:10 pm to
He played enough, and when he did he was bad. Just like now
Posted by LouisianaJoseph
Denver
Member since Apr 2018
1427 posts
Posted on 2/7/21 at 10:13 pm to
I highly disagree. He played completely sporadic minutes and never got comfortable. Gentry was the absolute worst with rotations.
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