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Kick the can (wait one more year).
Posted on 6/8/26 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 6/8/26 at 1:21 pm
The more I look at our roster and consider our options, the more I believe that we will be in a really strong position next offseason. That is especially true if we ride this out one more year.
If we run it back, making only small moves. We have basically a full roster right now. We can opt out on Looney and resign Jordan. We can get a late 1st from a number of teams really cheap (I'm really big on Graves). That gives us a line up of..
Fears/Poole
Murray/Hawkins/MCGowens
Zion/Jones/Peavy
Murphy/Bey/(Graves)
Queen/Missi/Matkovic/Jordan
That's not a great team, but it's not awful. I want to develop Fears and Queen surrounded by real talent and be competitive. But going into the summer of 2027, we lose the contracts of Poole and Hawkins making us a cap space team. Zion and Murray become huge expiring contracts. We still have the Murphy and Jones deals to facilitate deals as well.
I just don't see a need to make a move, just to make a move. Almost all our guys have something to prove this season, and I don't see anybody laying down. Especially with Mosley taking over. Everybody is on a short leash. I know it's not exciting. But it kind of makes the most sense right now..
If we run it back, making only small moves. We have basically a full roster right now. We can opt out on Looney and resign Jordan. We can get a late 1st from a number of teams really cheap (I'm really big on Graves). That gives us a line up of..
Fears/Poole
Murray/Hawkins/MCGowens
Zion/Jones/Peavy
Murphy/Bey/(Graves)
Queen/Missi/Matkovic/Jordan
That's not a great team, but it's not awful. I want to develop Fears and Queen surrounded by real talent and be competitive. But going into the summer of 2027, we lose the contracts of Poole and Hawkins making us a cap space team. Zion and Murray become huge expiring contracts. We still have the Murphy and Jones deals to facilitate deals as well.
I just don't see a need to make a move, just to make a move. Almost all our guys have something to prove this season, and I don't see anybody laying down. Especially with Mosley taking over. Everybody is on a short leash. I know it's not exciting. But it kind of makes the most sense right now..
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Posted on 6/8/26 at 1:31 pm to brmark70816
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But going into the summer of 2027, we lose the contracts of Poole and Hawkins making us a cap space team.
Having $5-$10mil in salary does absolutely nothing for us and actually hurts us. The dumbest thing we could possibly do is let Poole walk for nothing vs use his salary to add another big asset.
This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 6/8/26 at 1:58 pm to Dantheman504
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Having $5-$10mil in salary does absolutely nothing for us and actually hurts us. The dumbest thing we could possibly do is let Poole walk for nothing vs use his salary to add another big asset.
Poole and Hawkins combine for over 40M. Its a huge chunk. Worst thing we can do is take on longer bad money..
This post was edited on 6/8/26 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 6/8/26 at 2:28 pm to brmark70816
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Poole and Hawkins combine for over 40M. Its a huge chunk. Worst thing we can do is take on longer bad money..
That's not how the cap works the Pels are over the cap so you want get 40 million in cap space if you just let them walk. Poole and Hawk are getting traded the only question is if it will be in the off season are at the deadline.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 2:44 pm to brmark70816
I really don't want to trade Trey, but now is the time to do it if you are going to.
Offers for him aren't going to get better.
Offers for him aren't going to get better.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 3:20 pm to brmark70816
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That's not a great team, but it's not awful.
You have got to be kidding; awful would be a compliment to your proposed starting crew.
Your entire frontcourt (#1. Murphy, and Queen) couldn't play defense against a good high school team much less an NBA team. Williamson is a disinterested spectator, Murphy tries but can't, and Queen is a human turnstile. On top of that, nobody in that group can be counted on to rebound defensively because they are always playing from behind (chasing). Plus, you have your best defender coming off the bench? Again, you have to be kidding.
Individually there us a modicum of talent on this team...collectively their skills simply don't complement each other and never will.
Break'em up and sink or swim with the youth!!!
DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!!
Posted on 6/8/26 at 3:53 pm to iykyk985
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You have got to be kidding; awful would be a compliment to your proposed starting crew.
It's about a .500 team. That team, with reasonable health, wins about 40 games. Which is about where you want to be next season. It's a very deep team. If we play hungry, we can surprise a lot of people.
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Plus, you have your best defender coming off the bench? Again, you have to be kidding.
Jones is a bench player that thrives at 20mpg. He's not a starter in this league. Who's he starting over? If we don't make any moves. Are you benching Zion? It's not even close in my mind. I'd start Bey over him too.
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Individually there us a modicum of talent on this team...collectively their skills simply don't complement each other and never will.
System and coaching might go a long way. Plus desperation by the players. A few of these guys are on their last chance, playing for their careers..
Posted on 6/8/26 at 4:12 pm to brmark70816
Yuck. If they trade Trey then it better be a firesale everything goes but Fears and Queen and I’d even listen to Queen if the deal is right. It makes zero sense trading your best shooter at only 25 in his prime and on a team friendly contract unless you get one horsecock of a package in return. Knowing Dumars he trades him for a meh bench role player and 2 lottery protected 1sts that end up being late 20s.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 4:18 pm to brmark70816
Get rid of a guy who plays no defense on a team at the bottom on team defense?
Posted on 6/8/26 at 4:45 pm to goatmilker
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Get rid of a guy who plays no defense on a team at the bottom on team defense?
Are you talking about Jones?
He's still on the team and is the 6th/7th guy. What he does is all based on effort and hustle. He thrives under 30mpg. He was at his best his first 2 years when he he had more liberty to roam and go all out. I hope he can get back there. But he's a shell of what he once was, and they need to get him back to that.
Still doesn't answer my question. Who are you benching to start Jones?
Posted on 6/8/26 at 4:50 pm to brmark70816
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It's about a .500 team. That team, with reasonable health, wins about 40 games. Which is about where you want to be next season. It's a very deep team. If we play hungry, we can surprise a lot of people.
So, you'll have us believe that the exact same team we had last year that had reasonable health and won only 26 games is going to have a better than 50% increase in wins. Absent a trade (probably multiple trades) that's an improbability of epic measure.
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Jones is a bench player that thrives at 20mpg. He's not a starter in this league.
See: Lu Dort, Christian Braun, Tobias Harris, and Jaden McDaniels among others.
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Plus desperation by the players. A few of these guys are on their last chance, playing for their careers..
Nonsense!!! See Naji Marshall, Jaxson Hayes, Nikiel Alexander Walker, Dyson Daniels, Jose' Alvarado, Kenrich Williams, and even Jamal Cain. It's all about fit and our current roster fits like a string bikini on Miss Piggy.
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If you want to win, you have to build a defense. That, my friend, is non-negotiable.
DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!!
Posted on 6/8/26 at 4:51 pm to brmark70816
Give Herb a true rim protector at center and he would make some incredible plays on D.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 5:08 pm to brmark70816
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But he's (Jones) a shell of what he once was, and they need to get him back to that.
Jones plays all over the court trying to plug holes others on this team can't (or won't). Jones on Wemby? Jones on Giannis? Jones on 'The Joker'. He always takes on the toughest defensive matchup the team faces regardless of position.
Here's an interesting tidbit for you. Did you realize that over half of Herb's fouls are against players he's not guarding but trying to help out on because a teammate has been beaten like a drum?
Meanwhile, your guy is a 'shell' of what you think he is and always will be.
DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!!
Posted on 6/8/26 at 5:18 pm to iykyk985
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, you'll have us believe that the exact same team we had last year that had reasonable health and won only 26 games is going to have a better than 50% increase in wins. Absent a trade (probably multiple trades) that's an improbability of epic measure.
Yes. We didn't have reasonable health. Our 2nd highest paid player missed over 80% of the year. Our 3rd highest missed over half the year, and was horrible when he did play. Just addition of those 2 with similar past play vaults us immediately.
Zion missed 1/4 of the year. Murphy, Missi, and Jones missed at least 20% of the year. We just couldn't get the rotation filled out, and guys actually fit together.
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Lu Dort, Christian Braun, Tobias Harris, and Jaden McDaniels among others.
So, who are you benching?
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It's all about fit and our current roster fits like a string bikini on Miss Piggy.
This is a great line and I don't totally disagree. But the talent is there to be competitive. I don't want to put bad players around Fears and Queen, just because the supposedly fit better. The options just don't look to be there right now.
Posted on 6/8/26 at 5:19 pm to iykyk985
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Meanwhile, your guy is a 'shell' of what you think he is and always will be.
Who's my guy?
Posted on 6/8/26 at 6:15 pm to brmark70816
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Who's my guy?
The guy I'd bench. The team cancer. The guy with a very limited offensive game and no defensive game at all. The guy who makes more headlines off the basketball court than on it. The superstar who possesses more super flaws in his game than one can count. The former Max Guy that gives minimum effort. The face of the franchise who barely cracks the top 50 players in the league and is rated behind another 2019 Pelican Draftee...Nickeil Alexander Walker. That guy!!!
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DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!! DEFENSE!!!
Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:25 pm to brmark70816
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Poole and Hawkins combine for over 40M. Its a huge chunk. Worst thing we can do is take on longer bad money..
You aren't look at this correctly. (2) assets, $40mil, 0 production.
If you let them walk you LOSE $40mil. Maybe closer to $30-$35 but you have very minimal cap space. You are not going to get much production from whoever you add for $5-$10mil.
You are way more likely to get production > 0.0 with $40mil vs $5mil.
The "cost" is irrelevant. You want to take 2 worthless assets and add 1 worthless asset when we need to take 2 worthless assets and add something/ anything productive.
If we are truly going to "run it back" with Zion then the best solution instead of financing our whole future for Jaylen Brown would be to trade Poole + Hawk for LaVine.
Poole + Hawk + 2nds for LaVine is the best potential production we could get for the minimum cost of basically nothing.
Trade Poole/ Hawk for LaVine and add a rotational C and that's the best we can do to run it back while increasing production and retaining assets.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:45 pm to brmark70816
Cool thanks for the update Dumars.
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