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Keeping AD makes us a better team
Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:22 pm
I get it... we're all pissed for how much of a bitch he was last season, but honestly, who gives a shite about feelings?
If we can convince him to buy in, it gives us a better chance to win and all I care about is winning.
If we can convince him to buy in, it gives us a better chance to win and all I care about is winning.
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Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:24 pm to Broski
Yeah but what about his Fragile body? I held my breath every game since February.
Who's to say that he will play hurt all year and make us demand that trade midway through the season.
That would suck
Who's to say that he will play hurt all year and make us demand that trade midway through the season.
That would suck
Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:28 pm to BayouRat15
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Who's to say that he will play hurt all year and make us demand that trade midway through the season.
That would suck
Why would he agree to sign another year and then play hurt and demand a trade?
How does that help him at all?
Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:35 pm to BayouRat15
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Yeah but what about his Fragile body? I held my breath every game since February.
Maybe Aaron Nelson can help him to be less fragile.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:52 pm to Broski
No he doesn’t, he can’t be trusted
Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:54 pm to BayouRat15
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Who's to say that he will play hurt all year and make us demand that trade midway through the season. That would suck
If he signs with us then asks to be traded later we can send his arse packing anywhere we want. Would be the best case for us really
Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:57 pm to biggdogg
I just really don't like him, never really have. He is the most overrated player I have ever seen. It all comes so easy to him. But he isn't a leader or willing to make sacrifices to make the team better. He wants to be everybodies friend. I'd rather him go and tbh it is the best thing for him. Maybe a change of scenery will spark something for him..
Posted on 5/18/19 at 2:05 pm to Broski
Of course it does. It’s not even a question. A lot of fans fall in love with playing the asset collection game but you’re just hoping to eventually get something close to his caliber with all of those assets.
Keeping Davis, Jrue, and now Zion actually puts you in a place where you can start to think about winning an actual championship with some key additions. frick feelings.
Keeping Davis, Jrue, and now Zion actually puts you in a place where you can start to think about winning an actual championship with some key additions. frick feelings.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 2:33 pm to St Augustine
quote:you're hoping to get the team that takes you from 35 wins to 50 around him
but you’re just hoping to eventually get something close to his caliber with all of those assets.
It's time to cash in. AD is gone in my mind.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 2:44 pm to chalmetteowl
Except now you have ZION WILLIAMSON! So this team would have AD, Jrue, and Zion. Then you fill around. You call our current roster a 35 win team. While yes, we won that many games this season we also shut AD down in February, shut jrue down two weeks earlier and were a second round playoff team the year before. I’ll take getting our current guys to 50 wins with Zion and a competent front office over getting Zion and youngsters to 50 wins.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 2:46 pm to chalmetteowl
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AD is gone in my mind.
And that's why you fail.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 3:07 pm to Broski
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And that's why you fail.
Ok we'll see when it comes time for his supermax... Or even time for him to opt in
Posted on 5/18/19 at 3:08 pm to Broski
Have zero issues with AD requesting a trade. However, buying in means signs a long-term extension not a year-by-year-I'll-let-you-know-how-I-feel cloud looming over the team.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 4:04 pm to Unknown_Poster
Keeping AD is a necessity. We lost Chris Paul because the organization couldn't surround him with the necessary talent to win a championship. Anthony Davis was our consalation prize. History will soon repeat itself with AD, whereas Zion is the consolation this time around. The chain is broken by keeping AD and adding a secondary star to the lineup (this is the only thing the pelicans have proven capable of-Cousins) and then competing for a championship. This also means we don't lose Zion in a few years.
The secondary players that the pelicans will receive in a trade won't compete for a championship. The very best mentioned are Kuzma and Tatum. Using history as a predictor for their future performance, Kuzma was not capable of getting his team to the playoffs and Tatum's team was eliminated early (while being surrounded by a better team than the Pelicans will field).
The secondary players that the pelicans will receive in a trade won't compete for a championship. The very best mentioned are Kuzma and Tatum. Using history as a predictor for their future performance, Kuzma was not capable of getting his team to the playoffs and Tatum's team was eliminated early (while being surrounded by a better team than the Pelicans will field).
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 5/18/19 at 4:46 pm to BULLYSON
Keeping AD is a risk. People are extremely naive to assume that AD’s mentality and durability is going to change for the better just because we have Zion Griff and Aaron Nelson as part of the organization. AD is who he is. He’s played 7 years and he averages 60-65 games played a year and out of those 60-65 he misses a quarter or more in 10 of those games. This is almost an every year thing. The one exception is when he played through some injuries out of pity for Cousins. He actually gave 100% effort that second half of the season and he disliked it so much he tried to force his way out of New Orleans less than 6 months later.
AD is who he is and that’s fine, but it would be a horrible horrible mistake to pay 45m a year to a player that is a poor leader, has unreliable health, and has stated a desire in the worst way possible that he wants to be not only somewhere, but anywhere else than New Orleans. I’d much rather go trade with Boston for 3-4 pieces that have been in the playoffs for the last 3 seasons. Jaylen, Tatum and Smart would fit absolutely perfectly on this team. We’ve needed legit wings for 10 years. This trade would give us 3 wings with a mixture of defense and diverse offensive firepower.
Do you guys seriously want to be stressed out every other game about our 45m dollar man going back to the locker room for every little bump and bruise? Because it’s going to continue to happen. AD is who he is. I’m over it, and the fans that have spent any real amount of time watching this AD era, should be over it too. Time to move on. In this case 4 quarters equals a dollar to me when you take into account for AD’s leadership and durability concerns.
AD is who he is and that’s fine, but it would be a horrible horrible mistake to pay 45m a year to a player that is a poor leader, has unreliable health, and has stated a desire in the worst way possible that he wants to be not only somewhere, but anywhere else than New Orleans. I’d much rather go trade with Boston for 3-4 pieces that have been in the playoffs for the last 3 seasons. Jaylen, Tatum and Smart would fit absolutely perfectly on this team. We’ve needed legit wings for 10 years. This trade would give us 3 wings with a mixture of defense and diverse offensive firepower.
Do you guys seriously want to be stressed out every other game about our 45m dollar man going back to the locker room for every little bump and bruise? Because it’s going to continue to happen. AD is who he is. I’m over it, and the fans that have spent any real amount of time watching this AD era, should be over it too. Time to move on. In this case 4 quarters equals a dollar to me when you take into account for AD’s leadership and durability concerns.
This post was edited on 5/18/19 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:14 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
TeachMeHowTaDante
Well said
Well said
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:34 pm to BayouRat15
I’m all on board with keeping AD as long as he signs an extension and takes a back seat to jrue. Jrue is more of a leader to this team than AD as ever been or ever will be. That should be reinforced by the coaching staff but i dont know if it would be with Gentry. AD is who he is. He’s a 26 and 10 guy who doesn’t hustle on both sides of the ball and lacks leadership. No more of this BS of him being a top 5 player and the face of this organization
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:37 pm to Broski
100% for keeping Davis. I understand if we trade him though. shite Kobe wanted out from the Lakers and is revered.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 5:45 pm to Broski
A Zion/AD/Jrue/actual filler core is a championship caliber team if Zion is who everyone projects him to be or even just close. We kept asking through ADs tenure how they were going to get that 3rd star, and they have it with their youngest player in that trio being 29 next season.
You could legitimately have the best two-way bigs in the league, in their prime....at the same fricking time.
I mean it’s not unreasonable to think Zion could be an all first team defender and that would be 3 friggin 1st team all defense guys that will all average around a 50% FG % on the other end. If Gentry can’t build a defense with that trio that isn’t Swiss cheese, he gots to go.
I really hope AD stays. I don’t think he’s malicious on his intent or dislikes New Orleans. He should be frustrated about his time here.
Honestly, whether he leaves or not, he did the whole Pelicans community a massive favor by making this so public last year. Without that whole shitshow in January/if he waited til the offseason, we don’t have Zion now, we don’t have Griffin, we don’t have Nelson, we don’t have Gayle’s checkbook wide friggin open, we maybe still have Loomis and maybe even Demps? This franchise was being run like arse. We’re seeing that play out right before our eyes when a guy like David Griffin goes and makes a move thats getting leaguewide acclaim without even touching the players/coaching staff.
We owe AD a massive fricking thank you regardless of how it was handled or his intent, because somehow this franchise managed to fall flat on its face into another pile of gold, except this time we have our strongest ownership and front office equipped to handle this next chapter.
You could legitimately have the best two-way bigs in the league, in their prime....at the same fricking time.
I mean it’s not unreasonable to think Zion could be an all first team defender and that would be 3 friggin 1st team all defense guys that will all average around a 50% FG % on the other end. If Gentry can’t build a defense with that trio that isn’t Swiss cheese, he gots to go.
I really hope AD stays. I don’t think he’s malicious on his intent or dislikes New Orleans. He should be frustrated about his time here.
Honestly, whether he leaves or not, he did the whole Pelicans community a massive favor by making this so public last year. Without that whole shitshow in January/if he waited til the offseason, we don’t have Zion now, we don’t have Griffin, we don’t have Nelson, we don’t have Gayle’s checkbook wide friggin open, we maybe still have Loomis and maybe even Demps? This franchise was being run like arse. We’re seeing that play out right before our eyes when a guy like David Griffin goes and makes a move thats getting leaguewide acclaim without even touching the players/coaching staff.
We owe AD a massive fricking thank you regardless of how it was handled or his intent, because somehow this franchise managed to fall flat on its face into another pile of gold, except this time we have our strongest ownership and front office equipped to handle this next chapter.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 6:35 pm to TeachMeHowTaDante
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Keeping AD is a risk. People are extremely naive to assume that AD’s mentality and durability is going to change for the better just because we have Zion Griff and Aaron Nelson as part of the organization. AD is who he is. He’s played 7 years and he averages 60-65 games played a year and out of those 60-65 he misses a quarter or more in 10 of those games. This is almost an every year thing. The one exception is when he played through some injuries out of pity for Cousins. He actually gave 100% effort that second half of the season and he disliked it so much he tried to force his way out of New Orleans less than 6 months later.
AD is who he is and that’s fine, but it would be a horrible horrible mistake to pay 45m a year to a player that is a poor leader, has unreliable health, and has stated a desire in the worst way possible that he wants to be not only somewhere, but anywhere else than New Orleans. I’d much rather go trade with Boston for 3-4 pieces that have been in the playoffs for the last 3 seasons. Jaylen, Tatum and Smart would fit absolutely perfectly on this team. We’ve needed legit wings for 10 years. This trade would give us 3 wings with a mixture of defense and diverse offensive firepower.
Do you guys seriously want to be stressed out every other game about our 45m dollar man going back to the locker room for every little bump and bruise? Because it’s going to continue to happen. AD is who he is. I’m over it, and the fans that have spent any real amount of time watching this AD era, should be over it too. Time to move on. In this case 4 quarters equals a dollar to me when you take into account for AD’s leadership and durability concerns.
AD’s durability is severely overstated. He’s played in 75 games in 2 of the last 3 seasons, one of those we shut him down in the last 3 cause we were out of the playoffs. In 17-18, he missed one game in the second half of the season when we needed him.
Nobody questioned his leadership until last year, especially not around May a year ago. He fell in with the wrong crowd and had the wrong people in his ear, and our organization was such a shitshow we had no way to combat it. Dell friggin Demps and Mickey Loomis stand no chance against Lebron and Rich Paul.
I’m not excusing what he did, but this is a player that people still think has the talent to be a top 3 player in the game (I think Giannis stole the likely “future throne” crown from him though people were saying it might be AD post Lebron as recent as last year). He’s already a top 10 player in the game. We’ve got our shite together. We’ve got a Jrue Holiday that understands he needs to be more of a leader for these guys, and we’ve got a bonafide physical monster coming in with a great head on his shoulders.
I get people are emotional. I don’t like AD myself right now and I’m honestly just fine with whatever he decides so we can just move the frick on from this crap. The obvious best case, no brainer, no debate for this franchise though is AD staying.
You never trade a dollar for 4 quarters in the NBA and you’re damn lucky if you even get 4 quarters.
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