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Jrue's Plan

Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:29 pm
Posted by Crewz
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:29 pm
So, I have been told Griffin has talked to Jrue three separate times already. No clue what they talked about but lets imagine AD is traded and Jrue is the guy. Griffin goes to him and asks, "What kind of players do you want around you? Any specific names or types of players?"

Based on what you know about Jrue, what do you think he would want? Who would he value? And what would you personally want to put around him if he was the guy?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:32 pm to
1) A Point Guard next to him that can create and hit 3s so the ball is out of his hands, freeing him up to be...him.

2) Another player with elite potential on the defensive end, particularly at the 3, to take pressure off of him guarding big guards and Forwards.

3) Players with hard work ethic that will take the game as seriously as he does.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:37 pm to
I have been wondering this:

Lets say you get Tatum and Smart. I think we have all assumed that makes Jrue and Smart the backcourt and Tatum the 3

What if Jrue is the 2, Smart plays and defends 3's and Tatum is the small ball 4 - and you go get a point guard. He would need to shoot well and create a bit, so Payton is out. But how about someone like Malcolm Brogdon or even Darren Collison

Would that be too small or would that cause chaos and have more pros than cons?



Posted by Dantheman504
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:40 pm to
I agree with the post above that he most likely would want a high caliber PG to take some pressure off of him and also elite or above average defensive players so he doesnt have to give 150% and more every night just to lose by 2 points.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

What if Jrue is the 2, Smart plays and defends 3's and Tatum is the small ball 4


Then we are kind of where we were with a better version of Etwaun Moore guarding 3s.

I want a goddamn player with SF size guarding SFs for a change.
Posted by LouisianaJoseph
Denver
Member since Apr 2018
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:55 pm to
quote:

I have been wondering this: 

Lets say you get Tatum and Smart. I think we have all assumed that makes Jrue and Smart the backcourt and Tatum the 3 

What if Jrue is the 2, Smart plays and defends 3's and Tatum is the small ball 4 - and you go get a point guard. He would need to shoot well and create a bit, so Payton is out. But how about someone like Malcolm Brogdon or even Darren Collison 

Would that be too small or would that cause chaos and have more pros than cons? 


Seems weird of you to ask if a line up of a point guard, Smart, Jrue, and Tatum would be too small. We just had a whole season of Moore playing the 3 and it wasn't pretty on the defensive end.

Also, why would Payton automatically be out? Are his shooting mechanics impossible to improve upon?
Posted by SLafourche07
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:57 pm to
I think you nailed it Bunchie.


1 & 2 have been the biggest sources of our issues the last couple years and also the situations that make Jrue have to play out of place.
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 4:59 pm to
In one ideal scenario, Jrue with Morant and Tatum would be :jump1:
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24835 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:00 pm to
Team first guys, a pass first PG, a rebounding 4, a competent 3. Jrue seems like a guy who thoroughly enjoys team basketball. Give his druthers I would assume he would want others around him with that same mentality.
Posted by kamald
Member since Jan 2019
5 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:00 pm to
I think that a great plan in the new NBA space is needed if the boston trade happens jrue can guard almost any 4 get a PG who can create and shoot and a big who can play his role defend the rim set screens and rebound... brogdon and deandre jordan id be good with
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:00 pm to
Impossible? No. But you can't construct a team with optimism. And there is enough data to say that it would be optimistic to think Payton's shooting will be above average.

You have to project realistically. COULD he improve? Sure. But you don't just project improvement because you want it to happen. He most likely will continue to be a below average shooter. Just like Jrue will most likely be an excellent defender next year, but it is possible he could be just average.

See how that works? When you project the opposite way - going against what you want to happen, it seems crazy to project an outlier happening. Remove bias and what you want, and predicting the future becomes much easier and you get much better at it
Posted by tiger_nurse
Member since Aug 2012
501 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:03 pm to
I gotta agree with funbunch on this one. Please get a sf with some size, preferbly 6ft 8 range. Playing smart at the 3 reminds too much of moore at the 3. While i agree smart is better than moore, id still rather not see it.
Posted by Mystictiger
Texas
Member since Jul 2015
2624 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:09 pm to
Kemba
Posted by Sharp85
Member since Jan 2019
846 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:11 pm to
Crewz, I have no knowledge or proof of this just simply my opinion but I think before Griffin would have taken this job he would already have a trade in his mind he will gladly take for Davis if nothing else pops up. Possibly a Boston trade he knows will be there if he wants it. Hes just so well respected and alot of people are shocked we were able to pull him. He just comes off to smart to me to just take jobs.
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
76677 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:14 pm to
Griffin took this job because he is getting total control plus a superstar asset to keep or more likely flip to rebuild. Gayle Benson will not be a meddling owner. It's a good job.
Posted by DLBalla
Member since Jul 2018
171 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:15 pm to
Smart at the 3 would be fine, and in a way that could be his best position since it forces the ball out of his hands to the guards. The trend is snowballing towards positionless 'small-ball', switchable on D, playmaking at multiple positions-- and we have the coach and philosophy in place to fully embrace playing fast and 'small'/skilled.

Brogdon/Jrue/Smart/Tatum/Dedmon with Kenrich/Wood/Okafor/Frank, possibly Miller and a few key depth signings, plus rookie(s) waiting in the wings. Would be fun.
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:16 pm to
Of course he has 4 or 5 in mind. But its not about the specifics of the trade as much as him seeing the job and going, "I am starting with a guy who I think is an AS guard on a solid contract, a top 10 pick that might be top 1 or 2, no bad multi year contracts on the books and an asset that will fetch me a nice return."

That is far more appealing than most situations, regardless of knowing exactly what that return will be, if he is traded at all.
Posted by Sharp85
Member since Jan 2019
846 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:24 pm to
Being we are in such good shape with contracts going forward do you think he would roll the dice and give Randle a 4/80 type contract? I guess the good thing about Randle is if you want to trade that contract you could call a stupid team and say I have a 25 year old who is a 20 and 10 guy and hes locked up for three more years.
Posted by Soggymoss
Member since Aug 2018
14316 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:27 pm to
I would put Smart at PG, give us the best defensive backcourt in possibly ever..

I think Jrue would like to have a team around him of guys that play hard on both ends of the court, even if they aren't the best defenders, they at least put in the hustle and effort...

I like the idea of Tatum as a small ball 4, and use one of the picks we recieve to get a legit 3 (I believe Phoenix would be willing to move Warren with them loving Oubre)

Sign a big that hustles and plays hard

Smart/Payton
Jrue/Moore
Warren/Kenny
Tatum/Randle
R Lopez/Okafor

In the playoffs, you would substitute Lopez for Randle
Posted by Crewz
Member since Jun 2014
5093 posts
Posted on 4/24/19 at 5:27 pm to
I think it would depend on how the trade and draft plays out. I mean, it you get Zion, of course not.

Also, Jrues opinion would matter. Knowing what I do of Redden, he definitely would not be down with that. I think they stay flexible unless they see a guy as a no doubt long term piece. And I can't see how Randle could be no doubt
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