re: Jrue Holiday bidding war

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pretty risky on the back end

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I feel having Milwaukee plus the Lakers picks lessens that risk some. The worst case scenario is that you have a pick in the teens and a pick in the 20s every year during the Zion era. You can use the picks for cheap depth or bundle them to move up a little if someone you like falls.

Best case scenario (besides AD and Giannis leaving) is that by getting Milwaukees future drafts you just doubled your odds that some time in the next 7 years one of 2 top heavy contenders will have an event like the Warriors just experienced happen to them.

IMO, the Celtics deal has the least long term potential, because in that deal I’m assuming we’re trading the late Boston picks for Adams, and therefore the only long term potential we have is whoever we pick at 14. Short term we’re also stuck without a starting PG, or we’re stuck starting Lonzo without another facilitating guard. So we get 1 shot at long term potential, and a starting lineup that may be more talented, but had a worse fit.

In the Atlanta trade we’re looking at more long term potential than the Boston trade because we get a young wing (Huerter) that is a good long term piece, and we get another crack at a long term piece with the 6th pick. But if we’re dead set on Adams, we have to also trade away some of our long term potential to land him (assuming 1 pick or our 13).

We kinda know what the rumor was with Denver, so if we’re looking at Harris, Barton, and let’s even give them the benefit of doubt that they’ll include 2 future picks, we’re looking at more short term gain (still staring at the issue at PG), but as far as long term potential we’re only looking at 1 future pick (still assuming we move 1 for Adams somehow).

Can’t really speculate on what was offered by Dallas, as there weren’t really any leaks there.

ETA: you’re only looking at the picks as picks, and not as future assets. The Bucks picks can be used in a trade before it’s even known where they fall, which would mitigate some of the risk.

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If Atlanta was willing to throw in Reddish

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Hard pass.

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In the Boston scenario you likely pick Kira + Nesmith + Hayward and trade for Adams. Maybe get a future first or two.

That very well may be the best trade depending on how Nesmith turns out. Cementing an 8 player rotation that could theoretically swap roles as certain guys age and others come of age(or if Lonzo isn’t the right fit). Starting Lonzo and Hayward with Ingram, Zion and Adams. A bench of Kira and Nesmith. As Hayward and Adams age they take a more Iggy/Bogut type role as Hayes/Nesmith and Kira step into the starting lineup based on what we do with Lonzo.

Atlanta you maybe take Killian over Kira and draft Nesmith at 14 plus get some protected future pick.

As to future assets that all is relative as well. If Giannis signs the super max tomorrow the value on those picks drops. While the value of packaging proven commodities like Huerter do not.

If Giannis doesn’t or skips town before that last pick, you executed a coup and might be looking at a top 5 pick as you are contending. That’s 70’s era super team craziness. If he doesn’t it’s still not a bad deal, but it might not be the best deal if those other rumors are accurate.

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The Bogey deal falling apart makes it much less likely for him to sign for 5 years than than if it went through

Helped us a lot

Also, lol at that guy who would pass on Reddish

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I take it the last time you watched Reddish was in college?

Not the guy that finished the last quarter of the season shooting 49% from the field, 40% from three, averaging 16 points and 4 rebounds while showing a tenacious dedication on defense?

I hated Reddish coming out but there is going to need to be a lot more crow being served if people are going to try and maintain this posture going forward

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Cam Reddish was a great rookie defender and mediocre at best on offense. Maybe he figures it all out, but I doubt it happens before he’s 25, if at all. So why would we want him now?

Kept telling everyone it would be a bidding war

Ole lester earl wanted us to take 2 average players from the nuggets

The Boston deal is typical Ainge, thinking his pu pu platter is a desirable and filling meal

The Billy King deal warped his mind, thinking every deal would be like that for him

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Ole lester earl wanted us to take 2 average players from the nuggets

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Don’t forget the late first pick included that we ended up getting from the Nuggets anyway that most claim was a throw away pick for Adams. Talk about being way off on Jrues value.....

Yeah I see no scenario where we want Hayward over Bledsoe without letting Ingram walk.

Hayward and Ingram are too damn similar, so then we would literally be playing small ball because you'd have to start both and Zion. That would mean starting Zion or Hayward full time at center. Yikes.

Not to mention that podcast SVG was on before even being hired where he basically laid out the plan for Ball to be the PG in transition, with someone else to be the PG in the half court. Seems we liked the idea enough to run with it and specifically targeted Bledsoe when we decided to move on from Jrue.

And none of this is to say Hayward is bad. He's a very good player. He just doesn't fit here with the current roster. I'd much rather have Adams over him.