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re: JJ Redick Podcast On The Trade To Dallas
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:41 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:41 pm to whatiknowsofar
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No I'm disagreeing by saying you're comparing apples to oranges and you're just trying to make a smoothie out of it.
Bro my undergrad is in Econ and my minor in Psych.
You trying to tell me that the dynamics of the labor market and basic human psychology don’t apply in the NBA, that’s utter fricking nonsense.
There are certainly variables that make the NBA, and any industry unique, but the existence of those unique elements, unless you can actually articulate how they fundamentally alter basic psychological and labor dynamics, still apply.
Organizational trust matters, and for a lot of reasons, and in an industry where your employees have a ton of agency and power, that organizational trust matters even more
See Fun’s post about Hart and Redick sharing an agent for an example of how breaking trust with employees, intentionally or not, can have the potential to create real world consequences to the strength of your organizational position.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 2:44 pm
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:42 pm to quail man
pretty much this...we took care of Jrue and AD. We did this aging vet a disservice by not sending him to his team of choice after massively overpaying him? absurdity
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:42 pm to Fun Bunch
It's weird cause never was JJ's interest aligned with what's best for the team. Whether that be take a reduced role, get the frick better at your craft, or stick out the remainder of your contract in a bit of a non ideal situation with your family. I just read a lot of me me me me bullshite with a little of "well jrue isn't here no more" which is called welcomed to the NBA a-hole.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:44 pm to Chad504boy
Dude didn't even get an apartment this season. He could not have given a frick less about this team.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:44 pm to Chad504boy
Jesus fricking Christ...this is a business. JJ getting traded and not sent to his preferred destination won't mean shite to anybody. No FA is coming to or avoiding New Orleans because of how JJ was treated. FAs will come here for the same reason that JJ came here: MONEY!
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:47 pm to saints5021
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Jesus fricking Christ...this is a business.
Again, what business do you operate where trust with your employees and consumers is not a critical component of maintaining and building organizational strength and a positive culture?
People aren’t robots, and if your labor pool has enormous bargaining power and agency, you aren’t helping your business by pretending they are.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:51 pm to Bronc
You love being the differing opinion guy on this board. No matter where the discussion is, the other side is where you want to be.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:56 pm to Fun Bunch
How cheap do you have to be? He’s made over $100MM in his career and he can’t get a fricking place in NOLA? Please. He got his one year of having fun in the city and then didn’t give a shite. He could have chosen to get cut or whatever buyout shite but he couldn’t leave a few million on the table. frick him.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:56 pm to Bronc
quote:What business do you operate where you sign employees to contracts, and then trade them to other organizations? It's a completely different dynamic. Are basketball players still human? Of course, and they have feelings, desires, etc... but they understand that this is the business and how it operates when they sign up to play. The money/lifestyle outweighs the business aspect of the game for them, otherwise they wouldn't do it.
Again, what business do you operate where trust with your employees and consumers is not a critical component of maintaining and building organizational strength and a positive culture?
People aren’t robots, and if your labor pool has enormous bargaining power and agency, you aren’t helping your business by pretending they are.
Let's not forget that JJ started this whole "shady" business by requesting to be traded in the first place. That's him not living up to his end of that bargain.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:58 pm to quail man
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How cheap do you have to be? He’s made over $100MM in his career and he can’t get a fricking place in NOLA? Please. He got his one year of having fun in the city and then didn’t give a shite. He could have chosen to get cut or whatever buyout shite but he couldn’t leave a few million on the table. frick him.
I think he just thought he wasn't going to be here so why bother.
He lived with the lead singer of Arcade Fire for awhile I think. And Hart. At least that's what he has said on his podcast.
Its not like he was hiding it.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:58 pm to JayJay2
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You love being the differing opinion guy on this board. No matter where the discussion is, the other side is where you want to be.
Bro this is literally my thread, the only way I could play contrarian when my position was signaled out before anyone else responded is to assume I have telepathy or some shite.
I form my opinions, and I’m not scared of butting heads against the groupthink that I don’t agree with.
And it so happens a lot of times I’m right.
Like when I and one other person said it was a mistake to commit to Okafor and Meli over Wood, that Zion wasn’t a suddenly incapable of being the best in the league because he wasn’t all-world 34 games in, that the Adams trade was an overpay and he has critical flaws his pumpers weren’t willing to see, that the Bled acquisition would be a bad fit and that spacing would be an issue for Zion and BI when people were aggressively trying to tell me we’d continue to be in the top of the league.
I’d say my track record and a few others of going against the grain isn’t half bad
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:01 pm to Bronc
this is Dallas's fault. they're the only ones stupid enough to give up something for JJ, so we had to take it.
2nd Round Pick from Dallas in one hand..
$13 million dollar buyout in the other hand..
2nd Round Pick from Dallas in one hand..
$13 million dollar buyout in the other hand..
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:02 pm to Bronc
Van Gundy's response to the topic:
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"[JJ] had some things that he wanted to happen. But I think Griff cared very much about what JJ wanted, but he has a responsibility to Gayle Benson and to the organization that supersedes all of that," Van Gundy said.
"Listen, the one thing with me -- and I think I've been consistent about this throughout my career -- is you'll hear people say it from time to time that it's a business; well, it is. Players are going to want to do what's best for them, and they have every damn right to do that, and organizations have every damn right to do what's best for their organization. I have problems when it gets skewed that it's a business from my end, but you should not be a business on your end. That's not right. It's a business on both ends of it.
"Everyone should do what's best for them. That part of it, the business part of basketball, when you're talking about trades and free-agent signings and contracts and all of that -- everyone should do what's best for their interest. Unfortunately, sometimes what the player wants and what the team wants diverge. That's unfortunate, but that's just part of the way it is."
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:07 pm to Bronc
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Bro my undergrad is in Econ and my minor in Psych.
JFC here we go....
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You trying to tell me that the dynamics of the labor market and basic human psychology don’t apply in the NBA, that’s utter fricking nonsense.
I never argued that at all. I simply said they were completely different due to the unique nature of the NBA. Get your head out of your arse. Completely different does not equal doesn't apply.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:08 pm to Epic Cajun
All true and smart wisdom in a vacuum by SVG, but Griff is the one that wanted to sell this organization as more than that with his family shite, and was the one making promises to employees he is being perceived by his employee and at least one of his colleagues(Hart, who made a disapproving comment to the news of the trade) as not honoring.
And as SVG said this is a business for both sides, and organizational trust is a factor in desicion-making, so what this sort of says is that, yeah, don’t count on us to honor our word if the right opportunity arises. And that’s fine, but your potential employees have to make business moves too and you being a place that will lie and not honor their word is going to potentially be a deciding factor they might have.
And as SVG said this is a business for both sides, and organizational trust is a factor in desicion-making, so what this sort of says is that, yeah, don’t count on us to honor our word if the right opportunity arises. And that’s fine, but your potential employees have to make business moves too and you being a place that will lie and not honor their word is going to potentially be a deciding factor they might have.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:11 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I simply said they were completely different due to the unique nature of the NBA.
If they have differences but the same dynamics still apply than this insisted upon injection is nothing more than a red herring.
Organizational trust still matters, in fact, because of the uniqueness you point out, because of the power labor has in this market, because of our situation as a small non-destination market, it matters even more.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:11 pm to Bronc
I mean it wasn't the ideal ending, no doubt. But I think it's being blown out of proportion.
Would be a bigger deal if he had multiple years left on his current contract. He just has to go to Dallas for a month or two and then he can go wherever he wants.
Would be a bigger deal if he had multiple years left on his current contract. He just has to go to Dallas for a month or two and then he can go wherever he wants.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:13 pm to Bronc
You seem overly mad about this and unable to see one side.
You are always going to take the side of players because of your politics and I get that.
But there IS a damn business and there are two sides of the story.
I don't blame JJ for wanting to be sent where he wants to go.
And I don't mind Griffin for saying "Well we tried that, but I need to do what's best for the Org."
Ultimately this isn't THAT big a deal and will be forgotten soon.
You are always going to take the side of players because of your politics and I get that.
But there IS a damn business and there are two sides of the story.
I don't blame JJ for wanting to be sent where he wants to go.
And I don't mind Griffin for saying "Well we tried that, but I need to do what's best for the Org."
Ultimately this isn't THAT big a deal and will be forgotten soon.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:14 pm to Fun Bunch
Was he just staying in a hotel?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:14 pm to burdman
Bronc, you are acting like the Pelicans did this in a vacuum. There are 30 teams in the NBA that have some former player that is butt hurt over the way they were treated. The JJ trade does absolutely nothing to help or hurt us in the future.
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