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re: JJ Redick Podcast On The Trade To Dallas
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:00 pm to pjk481
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:00 pm to pjk481
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But I do think smaller market teams have to push back against some of the expectations of players to get paid by them and then just get traded/bought out of said larger money contract that the contenders couldn't offer them to go sign with the contender.
Don’t make promises or set expectations to your employees you can’t keep, worse yet, then decide not to even communicate your breaking of those promises.
I’m with you in spirit, but you aren’t helping your organization by gaining a reputation as dishonorable. Like any profession, good talent with options isn’t going to want to be a part of an organization they can’t trust.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 1:14 pm
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:02 pm to DallasTiger45
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I want to know how much salary JJ was willing to give up in a buyout
Kind of irrelevant since Griff reneged on that part of their discussions without communicating that change to Redick or his agent.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:02 pm to Bronc
Oh no, we are now labeled "dishonorable" by the venerable Jonathan Redick. Whatever shall we do? The sky is falling the sky is falling!
You're overreacting. It's really not that big a deal.
You're overreacting. It's really not that big a deal.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:04 pm to Epic Cajun
Griff asked him to come back and play like some semblance of himself this season, and if he was still unhappy, he would try to move him where he wanted to go...
Instead JJ came out and did a Josh Smith impression.. tanked his trade value.. missed games due to nonsense injuries.. got ejected from 1, and benched in several others..
Yet Griff is the liar...?
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:08 pm to jmcwhrter
I’m glad someone is finally challenging this whole “need to placate the agents” nonsense
I promise you that agent will still gladly let you pay outrageous money to a player to play there
It’s not like NOLA has a huge history of bringing in marquee free agents so why do they need to bend over backwards so you can ring chase?
I promise you that agent will still gladly let you pay outrageous money to a player to play there
It’s not like NOLA has a huge history of bringing in marquee free agents so why do they need to bend over backwards so you can ring chase?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:10 pm to Bronc
F him
You can't give away players for free
Once their was no Lonzo takers you had to get something from Reddick
You can't give away players for free
Once their was no Lonzo takers you had to get something from Reddick
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:10 pm to whodat24
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Oh no, we are now labeled "dishonorable" by the venerable Jonathan Redick. Whatever shall we do? The sky is falling the sky is falling!
You're overreacting. It's really not that big a deal.
How many employers did you jump at the chance to go work for that had a reputation for being dishonorable to their employees by colleagues you respect?
Like it or not JJ not only has a platform players respect and listen to, he’s one of the most popular, well-liked, and well-respected players with probably the biggest rolodex of player friends in this league and he’s expressing that his experience with our FO is that above and beyond the normal self interest of organizations, these guys are essentially bald-faced liars and snake oil salesman.
To pretend that doesn’t have potential to be harmful to our perceived organizational integrity amongst current and potential future employees is the height of naivety
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:12 pm to Bronc
Yea.. and everyone said no one will sign with Boston after the Isiah Thomas ordeal.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:14 pm to Bronc
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Don’t make promises or set expectations to your employees you can’t keep, worse yet, then decide not to even communicate your breaking of those promises.
I’m with you in spirit, but you aren’t helping your organization by gaining a reputation as dishonorable.
Again, need to hear the other side. But it doesn't sound like he "promised" he'd send JJ to one of those teams. JJ said he promised to work with to try to get him to a situation he preferred.
If JJ took "try" as "will" that's on JJ. Unfortunately, the contract he chose to sign was too big for any of his preferred teams to take on or make trade work. They didn't want him.
Its a business. His boss (Griff) gave him a salary larger than anyone else offered him. He happily took it. Then became unhappy with the situation, and asked his boss to move him to a different situation he preferred.
His boss said he'd try to accommodate and move him to another situation that would make him happier. Unfortunately, that opportunity didn't present itself, and his boss essentially said, there's no openings in your preferred area, go work for 2 more months in this department at your higher salary you chose, and then you will able to move anywhere you want!
Now, if Griff told him "I will trade you only to one of those teams or buy you out" then, yes Griff is in wrong. But JJ does not even allege that! He's just bitter
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:19 pm to NOSHAU
quote:I mean, what part of Griff told him one thing and did another are you not understanding here?
You admitted you mainly came here because we offer the most $$$ yet now you want to dictate the terms of where to play the last couple months? What an unprofessional jerk.
If Griff indeed did tell him that, then many posters are just spinning their wheels making excuses but you all know it's a really shitty thing to do.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:19 pm to pjk481
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If JJ took "try" as "will" that's on JJ.
not sure he knows the word, because it certainly didn't look like he was "trying" on the court this season
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:20 pm to WicKed WayZ
quote:Better question should be why would the GM make a promise to that player and not be honest with them if that GM thought he could get something back for that player by sending him to a destination the player didn't want to go to?
What GM in the league would outright release a player when they could get at least something back for that player?
All Griff had to do was tell JJ he makes no promises. If a best deal comes up with a team in the NE, great. If a best deal comes up elsewhere, Griff will take that deal. That's all Griff had to do.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:21 pm to supe12sta12z
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Yea.. and everyone said no one will sign with Boston after the Isiah Thomas ordeal.
When New Orleans becomes a destination market let me know.
I don’t think I’ve ever said we won’t get another free agent, but this isn’t a difficult concept. It’s true in any business or industry.
Top talent with options are going to prefer the organizations they feel they can trust. If you allow yourself to gain a reputation as a bad and dishonest employer or manager, you are going to have a harder time obtaining and retaining talent, and depending on the circumstance, could negatively affect the morale and culture within the organization.
I mean take Hart as an example, if he has two equal offers and Griff is promising him Vinson time and other accommodations if he chooses us, what reason would he have to believe us after this instance? Had Griff kept his word Hart would be thinking this is a guy that does right by people and keeps promises, no, there’s no way he thinks that
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:21 pm to shel311
The biggest screw-up here was that Griff and Langdon asked him to come back (apparently against his real wishes) and then expected him to provide something of value
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:22 pm to Hester Carries
quote:This is all 100% correct, but not really relevant.
Players cant make accommodations to find a beneficial situation. JJ demanding a trade preseason is fricking irrelevant. a fart in the wind.
The relevant part is whether what he claims Griff told him is true. If so, there's really no logical argument to say it's not shitty on Griff's part and no logical argument that JJ is wrong to feel the way he does.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:23 pm to Bronc
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I mean take Hart as an example, if he has two equal offers and Griff is promising him Vinson time and other accommodations if he chooses us, what reason would he have to believe us after this instance? Had Griff kept his word Hart would be thinking this is a guy that does right by people and keeps promises, no, there’s no way he thinks that
What reason would he have to NOT believe Griff would give him Vinson time and other accomodations?
Now if you're telling me that what Hart is really thinking is: "I wonder if Griff will trade me to the one time I want to go to in 3 years...?" Then Hart can frick off just like JJ
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:24 pm to shel311
The front office did indeed tried to get him to his preferred destination. Let's not pretend like they ignored his request now. At the end of the day, those teams have to agree to a deal.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:24 pm to Bronc
If he wants to go home so bad just retire, we have a team to run, not accommodate to a washed up shooting guard who forgot how to shoot
(I’m almost sure he will scorch us when he plays us)
(I’m almost sure he will scorch us when he plays us)
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:25 pm to shel311
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The relevant part is whether what he claims Griff told him is true. If so, there's really no logical argument to say it's not shitty on Griff's part and no logical argument that JJ is wrong to feel the way he does.
Correct. It's a bunch of he said/he said bullshite at this point. If Griff said he would do his best to try to trade him out east then yep JJ misunderstood him. If Griff said he will trade him east or buy him out then yeah Griffs an a-hole.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:26 pm to shel311
How do we know that JJ wasn’t relaying back to Philly or Brooklyn or whomever to not trade for him because he’ll just sign there after he’s bought out? Once again, he can get fricked in his whole arse. You get paid $13 million to miss a bunch of games and throw up bricks for half the year.
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