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re: Ingram hoping to return in 2-3 weeks
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:45 pm to CP3forMVP
Posted on 1/27/25 at 12:45 pm to CP3forMVP
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Signing him to a max would be a bigger mistake than letting him walk for nothing. You sign him to a max you're effectively nailing the coffin shut.
Literally no one on this board wants to sign him to a max.
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Posted on 1/27/25 at 1:31 pm to CP3forMVP
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It's pretty well reported that he thinks he's worthy of the max, and the Pelicans don't. Probably a safe assumption that a trade hasn't been worked out either because he still feels he's more than he's worth.
This is most likely true. But this is about longevity along with the actual salary amount. BI wants to see $200mil on his contract.
He reportedly turned down a 50mil extension from us in 23'. That was most likely a 2yr 100mil extension.
He turned down a 40mil extension this offseason which was probably between 40-43mil a year and 4 years.
He essentially wants a 4/$200 and it's not likely to be given from any team. Not impossible, but not likely.
I can see a team offering him a 5/$215, 5/$225, or 4/$180 with more guaranteed or bonuses. It definitely wouldn't be us and now it will come down to HOW MANY of those teams really want him at the deadline. I personally think their will be atleast 4-5 teams very interested and atleast 2-3 in an actual bidding war.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:51 pm to Dantheman504
Only way he signs a contract anywhere close to that much would be with our help…I just don’t see us taking back the necessary salary to facilitate a sign and trade.
Brandon is destined to sign any MLE deal with a good team….
Brandon is destined to sign any MLE deal with a good team….
Posted on 1/27/25 at 2:53 pm to TechTiger
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Brandon is destined to sign any MLE deal with a good team….
Do you realize how stupid this makes you look?
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:05 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Do you realize how stupid this makes you look?
What team besides the Nets can give him a contract paying him more than $30 plus mil/year?
I like Ingram, but it just doesn’t make sense to bring him back at what he wants. We probably aren’t a top 6 seed in the west next year, so why would the organization risk going into the tax to re-sign him.
There are no options for Ingram to sign the contract he wants except us, and it would be “stupid” to try and facilitate a sign and trade to make that happen for him.
Come on bro…I’m not talking nonsense here.
Brandon gets traded to a contender by the deadline for expirings and minor draft compensation, or we let him walk in the offseason.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:17 pm to TechTiger
Also, let’s say he takes a “team friendly” deal for an average of $40mil per year…even if you trade CJ, you have to take salary back and you are deeply into the apron.
The roster just doesn’t work with Zion and Ingram. Is Herb or Trey coming off the bench in this scenario? You still aren’t good enough in your front court rotation. Missi and Zion have not been a good fit so far in games they have played, and even though Brandon started shooting more 3s out of necessity to start the year his shot profile still left a lot to be desired.
The roster just doesn’t work with Zion and Ingram. Is Herb or Trey coming off the bench in this scenario? You still aren’t good enough in your front court rotation. Missi and Zion have not been a good fit so far in games they have played, and even though Brandon started shooting more 3s out of necessity to start the year his shot profile still left a lot to be desired.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 3:29 pm to TechTiger
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even if you trade CJ, you have to take salary back and you are deeply into the apron.
If you look in the other thread I have a breakdown. Worst case scenario would be 5-10mil into the tax. But you are also competing or going to blow it up anyway so dipping into the tax shouldn't matter if we are serious about an attempt to be serious.
Teams that can afford BI and may want him:
Utah
CHA
SAS
DET
BKN
WAS
CHI
Teams that can't afford BI and may want him:
GSW
LAL
SAC
CLE
DEN
MIA
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:02 pm to TechTiger
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Come on bro…I’m not talking nonsense here.
Yes you are.
You just said a guy who averages 22/5/5 and is in the prime of his career is going to get an MLE deal this offseason.
That's just stupid.
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We probably aren’t a top 6 seed in the west next year, so why would the organization risk going into the tax to re-sign him.
Why the hell not? Look at what Memphis is doing this year just b/c they are healthy this year unlike last year.
We can keep BI and not go into the tax, but that means CJ has to go. We can't keep both of them and not be a tax team. It's as simple as that.
And no i'm not advocating that we keep BI, but it won't be the worst thing in the world if we do, and i can guarantee you it won't be near the max. He is going to sign a deal that pays him $36-40M next year, whether with us or someone else.
I think what he'll end up signing is a 3/$120M deal with us that has a player option in the 3rd year. First year will be 5% more than what he makes this year and also less than what Zion is making. That'll give him 2 years of the cap increasing a good bit and teams getting used to the new system and cap and then he'll look to get his last 4 year deal worth big money as a 29 year old.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:10 pm to TechTiger
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Also, let’s say he takes a “team friendly” deal for an average of $40mil per year…even if you trade CJ, you have to take salary back and you are deeply into the apron.
It would be under $39M in year 1, b/c they won't let him make more than Zion.
and you don't have to trade CJ in an even salary deal in the offseason, and it would be easy to be under the apron, as well as the tax. The tax line next year is $189M. We can stay under that wtih BI making $38M and replacing CJ with a 1st round pick and a $10-15M center.
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The roster just doesn’t work with Zion and Ingram.
It was working really well in the middle of last year, first time we really saw them together and healthy for a prolonged period of time in 5 years.
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Is Herb or Trey coming off the bench in this scenario?
Easy question. Herb.
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You still aren’t good enough in your front court rotation. Missi and Zion have not been a good fit so far in games they have played, and even though Brandon started shooting more 3s out of necessity to start the year his shot profile still left a lot to be desired.
Which is why you send CJ out and get somoen back like Isaiah Stewart.
And BI's shot chart was just fine to start this year. Watch playoff basketball and you realize that you have to have a guy who can create for himself at all 3 levels, not just 1 of them like Zion.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
BI’s 22/5/5 is empty calories. Like thinking Fruity Pebbles is a healthy breakfast cause it’s got 1/3 of a multivitamin in the box. He completely stagnates our offense with his iso bullshite. Trey’s already becoming a more willing and able passer than BI and he’s been in a BI-ish role for a minute now. He takes minutes away from TM3, Herb, and Hawk.
He thinks he’s a top 10-15 player for real, and he just got owned 1 on 1 last spring by a dude 6 inches shorter than him. Damn sure isn’t a #1. Probably not a viable #2 with his offensive play style. Let him go eat his humble pie elsewhere. I’m tired of dealing with his overinflated ego.
He got his chance as a #1. ALOT more than anyone would have thought in the Zion era. And he always comes up short.
He thinks he’s a top 10-15 player for real, and he just got owned 1 on 1 last spring by a dude 6 inches shorter than him. Damn sure isn’t a #1. Probably not a viable #2 with his offensive play style. Let him go eat his humble pie elsewhere. I’m tired of dealing with his overinflated ego.
He got his chance as a #1. ALOT more than anyone would have thought in the Zion era. And he always comes up short.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:28 pm to ShamelessPel
Get a new coach, and I’d bet the offense isn’t stagnant anymore. It ain’t BI, it’s Willie.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
It’s both
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:35 pm to TeddyPadillac
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And BI's shot chart was just fine to start this year.
He was shooting more 3s, but his attempts at the rim were sacrificed. He could be so much better if he moved without the ball better. Yes he is shooting more threes, but he was still initiating most of those shots.
Maybe that was because he wasn’t playing with Murray, but at this point it doesn’t really matter. We can’t afford to make that investment unless the organization decides they will pay the tax.
It seems like they have made their decision anyway, and they are going to move on from Ingram. I think we would have some sort of notion otherwise by now. His injury certainly hasn’t helped things, but I think we won’t see Ingram play again as a starter for the Pels.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:40 pm to Split2874
quote:Downside to a free message board is lots of low iq irrational idiots get to voice their opinion.
I don't get the BI hate.
I get if you don’t want to give BI a big contract. All this hate about how BI is a cancer, those people are idiots. What a coincidence that the year BI is hurt for most of the season is the year that we have a bottom 3 record. We were never this bad when Zion misses most of the season.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:41 pm to TechTiger
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He was shooting more 3s, but his attempts at the rim were sacrificed.
quote:That and even worst, his FT rate plummeted, almost half as much as last season.
He was shooting more 3s, but his attempts at the rim were sacrificed.
Hanging your shot profiles only helps so much, which is to say not much when you're even less efficient than before.
And that's before factoring the metrics that back up obvious eye tests on how the ball sticks to him and ball movement when he's on the court vs off.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:48 pm to Galactic Inquisitor
quote:It's hilarious how Ingram gets the "he's always worked hard" nonsense considering the only time he ever consistently works hard on the court is when he has the ball.
When has he come back out of shape? Are you attributing his injuries to a lack of effort? He should have worked harder and his knee wouldn't have hyper-extended?
Off ball, doesn't give you much.
Defense, habitually lazy during his Pels tenure.
He is not a hard working NBA player, not by any stretch.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 4:55 pm to shel311
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Off ball, doesn't give you much.
He barely even played with Murray
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Defense, habitually lazy during his Pels tenure
His defense has improved every year the last 3 years.
This post was edited on 1/27/25 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 1/27/25 at 5:00 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Ingram can't do that any better than Murray, so we're good there.
Watch playoff basketball and you realize that you have to have a guy who can create for himself at all 3 levels, not just 1 of them like Zion
CJ with no BI works on this team better than BI with no CJ. CJ works within the context of the offense, it's just a much better fit.
BI has to have the ball to be effective, and then on top of that, he has to hold the ball for a long time before he can get to his shot. It's just not a style of basketball suitable for this team or any team really unleash you have elite level scoring efficiency.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 5:03 pm to saintslsupels
quote:Wait until you realize that Ingram has played more games than Zion this season
What a coincidence that the year BI is hurt for most of the season is the year that we have a bottom 3 record. We were never this bad when Zion misses most of the season.
Posted on 1/27/25 at 5:04 pm to Dantheman504
quote:Ok, just use the rest of his career if that helps.
He barely even played with Murray
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