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re: In the upcoming draft, which position is our biggest need?
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:00 pm to NOSHAU
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:00 pm to NOSHAU
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You must be listening to MM. He has mentioned that one.
He must be listening to me on this site since i said that a while back and all of you said there's no way Detroit would trade Grant after signing him in FA
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:13 pm to NOSHAU
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I highly doubt we get a decent 1st in a S&T for Lonzo. We would have very little leverage to demand much in return other than the obvious TPE
I know that's the precedent more often than not, but there are teams that may think he's the missing link and have a late 1st to throw out there to prevent him from going to the Knicks or resigning with us, since he's a RFA. We have to hope a team out there is desperate enough to think they need him to get to the next level.
Most S&T's don't have any value attached to them other than the TPE.......but Indy gave up a 1st and 2 2nds to sign Brogdon.
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So, Brogdon gets his payday, the Bucks don’t see Brogdon walk for nothing in return, and the Pacers get their guy.
The qualm you might have with this is the fact that the Pacers forfeited a first-round draft pick and two second-rounders for a guy they could have gotten for simply cap space. That’s assuming, however, that Milwaukee wouldn’t have matched the offer Indiana extended and that there would have been an optimal use for that money ($20 million on the books this year) elsewhere in the point guard slot from the free market.
That 1st round pick is the one that came to us from the Bucks, that we ended up sending to Denver as part of the Adams trade, the #24 this past year RJ Hampton.
A team like Utah might not want to bring Mike Conley back, but would be willing to do a swap with us. I could see Denver being willing to part with a 1st to get him. The hope is that there are teams that think they need his defense, on top of his shooting.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
Why not stay at 10 or 11 and draft Corey Kispert, who is 6'7 and can shoot the lights out. With NAW, Hart, and Marshall all playing the same way, we could really use Kispert shooting when these guys drive and kick the ball out.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:17 pm to Earthquake
I'd love Kispert and I'm convinced that he'll go 9 if the Pelicans pick 10. He'll go 11 if the Pelicans pick 12. And so on.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:38 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:I hope so. However, Ball decides where he wants to sign, so a team throwing us an asset will not prevent him from signing with the Knicks. We just need another team to think we may match and then maybe they will entice us not to.
I know that's the precedent more often than not, but there are teams that may think he's the missing link and have a late 1st to throw out there to prevent him from going to the Knicks or resigning with us, since he's a RFA. We have to hope a team out there is desperate enough to think they need him to get to the next level.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:44 pm to Earthquake
I don't think Kispert will turn into Klay Thompson b/c he can't defend at that level, but also i don't think he's as skilled offensively as Klay is, but he is the guy i want to pick. If he can be a guy you can call plays for running off screens and knocking down 3's or at worst, simply opening up the floor running around screens, then that is a great weapon to have off the bench.
His comparison is more Duncan Robison.
His comparison is more Duncan Robison.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:48 pm to NOSHAU
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I hope so. However, Ball decides where he wants to sign, so a team throwing us an asset will not prevent him from signing with the Knicks. We just need another team to think we may match and then maybe they will entice us not to.
Ball will go wherever the most money is thrown his way. If the Knicks were willing to give him no more than 4/80, and Utah wants to give him 4/90, I'm pretty sure he'd prefer to go where they will give him more money.
Teams know the Knicks are going to go after him, so they'll have to overpay to get him, and i'm sure that's what Ball/Klutch want, is someone to overpay for him. Lonzo Ball doesn't need NY to make more money off the court. His brand is big enough by itself.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:05 pm to ghost2most
I will be pissed if we trade our pick unless we are bringing home a stud.
Probably the guy I want most in our projected draft range with all of the boxes he checks.
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Any thoughts on the Giddey kid from Australia?
Probably the guy I want most in our projected draft range with all of the boxes he checks.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:05 pm to Fun Bunch
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If we stay somewhere between 9-11, we are trading that pick. I'd bet on it.
I hope not. This draft is deep and young, cheap talent is always good to have. Unless we are landing a top 15 guy in some kind of mega package, I would rather use the pick to continue to build a young, cheap core/bench.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:15 pm to TeddyPadillac
I think Kispert is less Klay, more Bojan Bogdanovic.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 3:27 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Agree, which is why a team throwing an asset our way will not keep him away from the Knicks or any other team. That is all secondary to where Ball wants to sign.
Ball will go wherever the most money is thrown his way. If the Knicks were willing to give him no more than 4/80, and Utah wants to give him 4/90, I'm pretty sure he'd prefer to go where they will give him more money.
Teams know the Knicks are going to go after him, so they'll have to overpay to get him, and i'm sure that's what Ball/Klutch want, is someone to overpay for him. Lonzo Ball doesn't need NY to make more money off the court. His brand is big enough by itself.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 4:00 pm to NOSHAU
Giving us a 1st is more about us bluffing to them that we will resign him unless we get something back.
We can't just go out and say we aren't goign to resign Lonzo but we want to work a S&T out with someone that can give us a pick back. No one would ever agree to that.
We have to say we want to keep Lonzo and are prepared to match competitive offers for him.
and that is why Griffin said this after the trade deadline
we aren't getting an asset so that Lonzo signs with someone other than the Knicks. We are getting it b/c someone else wants him and doens't want us to match the offer.
Their choices are blow us out of the water with a overpriced deal, or find a reasonable deal and give us a pick.
We can't just go out and say we aren't goign to resign Lonzo but we want to work a S&T out with someone that can give us a pick back. No one would ever agree to that.
We have to say we want to keep Lonzo and are prepared to match competitive offers for him.
and that is why Griffin said this after the trade deadline
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“He’s made it very clear personally, one to one, that he wants to be here,” Griffin said. “Yet what you will read is, ‘This is a player who doesn’t want to be here. He’s not in our plans. So you should trade him for a ham sandwich.’ That doesn’t make any sense when we know the actual, real story behind Lonzo Ball.”
we aren't getting an asset so that Lonzo signs with someone other than the Knicks. We are getting it b/c someone else wants him and doens't want us to match the offer.
Their choices are blow us out of the water with a overpriced deal, or find a reasonable deal and give us a pick.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 5:23 pm to ghost2most
quote:I like him he looks good. Super young and playing well in the NBL. Has been shooting better the last 5 games or so as well. Only 18. Can see Langdon and company wanting him over Mitchell
Any thoughts on the Giddey kid from Australia?
Posted on 5/11/21 at 5:35 pm to Macintosh504
If we're doing this, "guys aren't gonna be contributors rookie year" than Giddey makes a lot of sense.
I would imagine we would make a play for a veteran PG though, since I still think Lewis is 1-2 years away from being a 20+ mpg contributor (size is what I am worried about moreso than anything)
I would imagine we would make a play for a veteran PG though, since I still think Lewis is 1-2 years away from being a 20+ mpg contributor (size is what I am worried about moreso than anything)
Posted on 5/11/21 at 5:45 pm to htran90
If Giddey wasn’t 6’8 I’d agree with you. Just think that’s too good to pass up
Posted on 5/11/21 at 5:59 pm to Macintosh504
The thing about giddey is his shot is extremely broken.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 6:18 pm to TeddyPadillac
The draft is before free agency, so the pick will already be used or traded before Ball has a chance to sign anywhere.
I could see us trade Bled #10 and a few 2nds for Brogdon, then still want to keep Ball, or try working a trade with him.
Someone somewhere else mentioned Denver, which may be an intriguing spot for him, especially with Jamal's injury. They may be willing to overpay him a bit as an injury replacement, like GS did with D'lo.
I could see us trade Bled #10 and a few 2nds for Brogdon, then still want to keep Ball, or try working a trade with him.
Someone somewhere else mentioned Denver, which may be an intriguing spot for him, especially with Jamal's injury. They may be willing to overpay him a bit as an injury replacement, like GS did with D'lo.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 6:26 pm to Soggymoss
Is Brogdon on the block and if so, why?
Posted on 5/11/21 at 6:34 pm to Soggymoss
I would love for us to trade Bledsoe and Lonzo, sign a veteran pg to to along with Kira. I love the combo of Marshall, NAW and Hart swinging between the 2 and 3. We need another pure shooter and backup pf.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 6:34 pm to ghost2most
There's speculation Indiana will blow it up this offseason
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