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re: I'm not sure how this team improves via trade
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:40 pm to MrBarry
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:40 pm to MrBarry
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I think Mobley is the much better fit than Lauri, as he'd be better averaging 15ppg and begin the defensive anchor for us, and the more you look at it, the Cavs might be better off with Trey/Allen than Mobley/Allen.
The Cavs are building everything around Mobley, more than Mitchell or Garland. He is their future and they are not trading him. Period.
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Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:41 pm to MrBarry
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Think about what Boston just did.
Boston went to the finals. They may be one or two role players away. Pels have done nothing in two years.
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They have Tatum and Brown (Zion and BI), went get Porzingis and Jrue, and also still have Derrick White.
Jrue gave them something they didn't have. Perimeter defense. Porzingas gave them shooting in the frontcourt where they had injuries and age (Williams/Harford). Porzingas has to get healthy.
Also, Boston is willing to go into tax. Are the Pels?
I'm not sure Lauri does much for this team as currently built. He's a good player, but you are restructuring the way you play if you get him.
Lastly, you don't get someone good unless you come off of your good players. If you want Mobley or Lauri, you are giving Herb, Zion, Trey, or someone else. You have to see the payoff or choose to build around your "untouchables".
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:44 pm to SaintEB
quote:And how do you reach that conclusion without...exploring?
Is there a player available that instantly puts NOLA in a position to compete with Denver or Boston? If not, then nothing should be explored.
quote:It needs to be now, Zion is in year 5, BI year 8....we're wayyyyyyyy behind schedule. We shouldn't dick around another season.
Are we looking for something this season, or future?
I'd think if you think there is no player we can add to this core to make you think we can compete with a Denver or Boston, then short of the owner just cashing checks for a profit, there's no real reason to keep this core together, so we should move to pivot off of BI/Zion.
quote:We also don't know who is available, NBA GMs will know that. And another also, I never said make a trade for the sake of making a trade. I said an upgrade needs to be explored.
This is a given, but i don't see a trade available that improves this team that much.
I can't think of any good reason as a fan for not wanting to explore upgrades unless, again, you think as presently constructed, you're confident we can beat any team.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:44 pm to GOP_Tiger
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The Cavs are building everything around Mobley, more than Mitchell or Garland. He is their future and they are not trading him. Period.
They are goign to build around a guy that can't shoot 3's (23%) and averages 16ppg?
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:46 pm to SaintEB
This team is so difficult to project the future b/c the minute you think you know a player, it changes.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:53 pm to supe12sta12z
quote:As a #1 that you build around... I'd guess most would not think that's a viable option.
You must hate Bam Adebayo.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 1:56 pm to supe12sta12z
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You must hate Bam Adebayo.
Why would i hate Bam? I don't hate Mobley.
Neither one of those guys are a #1 on any good team.
Bam is a 2a that needs a 2b.
Saying the Cavs are building around Mobley doesn't make sense though. Core piece? sure. The piece? absolutely not.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:01 pm to MrBarry
I wouldn't trade anyone on the team except the bench kids. No starter is available save Val.
Ingram is having a career year.
CJ is having a career year.
Zion is slowly, very slowly, getting better.
If this core is healthy in April we will be the team no one wants to play. We're deeper than a lot of teams.
If December 2022 Zion is playing in April we're making the WCF at minimum
Ingram is having a career year.
CJ is having a career year.
Zion is slowly, very slowly, getting better.
If this core is healthy in April we will be the team no one wants to play. We're deeper than a lot of teams.
If December 2022 Zion is playing in April we're making the WCF at minimum
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:07 pm to whatiknowsofar
What could we get for Dyson, Naji, Kira, and a cheeseburger? Is that anywhere close to enough for markannen? I don’t think so
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:11 pm to lsu_baseball11
It's clear as day what this team needs.
Get rid of Willie Green and replace him with a decent coach and this team improves more then the around the edges moves.
Get rid of Willie Green and replace him with a decent coach and this team improves more then the around the edges moves.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:13 pm to shel311
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And how do you reach that conclusion without...exploring?
Now you are just pointing out semantics. You knew exactly what I meant.
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It needs to be now, Zion is in year 5, BI year 8....we're wayyyyyyyy behind schedule. We shouldn't dick around another season.
I agree hole-heartedly with this.
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I'd think if you think there is no player we can add to this core to make you think we can compete with a Denver or Boston, then short of the owner just cashing checks for a profit, there's no real reason to keep this core together, so we should move to pivot off of BI/Zion.
Sure, there are players, but at what cost? Are you willing to trade Trey, Zion, Bi?
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:30 pm to SaintEB
quote:Sure, but then I don't know exactly what part of my statement you're taking issue with.
Now you are just pointing out semantics. You knew exactly what I meant.
quote:Let's ride!
I agree hole-heartedly with this.
quote:I'm willing to trade any player that improves this team, but practically, I doubt any of those 3 can be in a trade that would make tons of sense to a realistic deadline trade to improve the team.
Sure, there are players, but at what cost? Are you willing to trade Trey, Zion, Bi?
If we remain healthy and we flounder the rest of the season, find ourselves in the play in and miss the playoffs or are an easy out in round 1, then sure let's explore getting rid of at least 1 if not both of BI/Zion.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:32 pm to ghost2most
Only trade I can see us doing is trading Kira and cash to get below the tax, and taking back a minimum level big man for extra depth, or a 38-40% shooter that doesn’t mind riding the bench. I even thought about a Kira and cash for Temple swap if Toronto would be interested.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 2:48 pm to Soggymoss
Yeah something like Kira and cash for Charles Bassey from the Spurs.
He is out for the year with a knee, but gives the Pels a look for cheap C next season rather than going after a guy like Zeller.
He is out for the year with a knee, but gives the Pels a look for cheap C next season rather than going after a guy like Zeller.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 3:15 pm to shel311
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Sure, but then I don't know exactly what part of my statement you're taking issue with.
I honestly don't remember and don't feel like going back and look, lol. Not worth it.
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I'm willing to trade any player that improves this team, but practically, I doubt any of those 3 can be in a trade that would make tons of sense to a realistic deadline trade to improve the team.
Yeah. I don't think there is a deadline trade that would improve the team.
I have grown attached to few of these guys, but I'd rather see them win.
I have been impressed with BI's play as of late. His ability to facilitate has been vital to their good play, IMO.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 3:25 pm to SaintEB
quote:There will 100% be available dudes who can improve this team, where teams will just want salary match plus draft assets.
I don't think there is a deadline trade that would improve the team
There's also consolidation options that can allow us to upgrade 2-3 players to a better player which is also in play as we have a lot of redundancy and also probably 11 or 12 dudes who can legit be rotation dudes, so we have some leeway to lose a guy or 2 to upgrade.
quote:I feel like BI's game has done like a 180 or some shite the past month or so. He used to take those middies out of rhythm and super contested and just bad shots early in the shot clock wayyyyy too often. And this past month it seems he's playing so much more in the flow of the offense and picking and choosing his spots.
I have been impressed with BI's play as of late. His ability to facilitate has been vital to their good play, IMO.
More picking and choosing his spots and less forcing up bad middies means he's facilitating more. He's averaging 6.0 assists per game in the last 21 games, compared to 4.8 in his 1st 13 games.
More picking and choosing his spots and less forcing up bad middies also means more efficient shooting.
Oct/Nov which was the 1st 16 games so nearly the same as the 13 games I mentioned above, BI's TS% was .571/.572 in each month. But for Dec/Jan it's .606/.615.
Above .600 is where BI needs to be to be a viable #2 option IMO. I didn't think he could do it and we had extensive talks on that here, and ever since then, he's done it lol. I'd still like to see it sustained more than 5 weeks but it's certainly a good sign.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 3:29 pm to shel311
Something else I stumbled upon while looking some of those numbers up.
For BI's entire career month by month splits, not counting months with few games played, so basically months where he played 8 or more games with a TS% of .600 or better...he's only done that 4 times in his entire career.
1 of those times was December. And small sample size, but he's .615 for January. He's never done it in back to back months or even twice in 1 season.
For BI's entire career month by month splits, not counting months with few games played, so basically months where he played 8 or more games with a TS% of .600 or better...he's only done that 4 times in his entire career.
1 of those times was December. And small sample size, but he's .615 for January. He's never done it in back to back months or even twice in 1 season.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 3:34 pm to shel311
BI is getting stronger, and learning how to use his body more.
You could see that difference a bit last year, but i think it's more evident this year, and i think a big reason why he's been playing better.
You could see that difference a bit last year, but i think it's more evident this year, and i think a big reason why he's been playing better.
Posted on 1/8/24 at 3:58 pm to SaintEB
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Honestly, have we see a defensive output like last night when Zion is on the floor? I can't remember one.
This narrative really needs to die
Is Zion an elite defender? No
Was Zion really bad defesively towards the start of the year? Yes
Have the Pelicans had a top 3 defense over the past 25 games with Zion playing? Yes
Zion’s defense in current form is just not the issue people make it out to be. Just needs to stay healthy
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