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re: I’m not saying it’s good that they got embarrassed

Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:57 am to
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20730 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 10:57 am to
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Just showing him in the warmups before the game he looked noticeably fatter than just a week or two ago. Crazy.


It was like when Zion returned after the bubble.

But I can see last night going either way for Zion.

1) The failure and ridicule might inspire him to fight harder and train and become a better player.

But ...

2) The failure and ridicule might also send him into a cycle of depression (which we've seen before with him), wherein food ends up being the drug he uses to make himself feel better.

I wonder now if Willie Green regrets getting rid of T-Spoon. Pre-injury last season, Zion was a top-ten player in the league, and he's obviously nowhere near that level this season.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112635 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 11:00 am to
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1) The failure and ridicule might inspire him to fight harder and train and become a better player.

Chuck and Shaq and the national media seems like once per year they go off on Zion and his conditioning.

It has never in 5 years got him to change, at least not in a sustained way. My concern is what reason do we have to think #1 would possibly happen? All the data and previous examples for 5 seasons are telling us there will be no sustained change.

It doesn't mean it can't magically happen, I just see no reason to think that it will. If it did, it would just be something you did not expect to happen and we can be pleasantly surprised.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:53 pm to
That was a 'clear out the kitchen' stinker. I'm curious as to the response from the Pels organization.

Game really showed this team needs a point guard, even moreso than the Pels slow.... bigs I complain about. The pace was awful, I had the Temple/Sato flashback.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112635 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 2:57 pm to
I don't think we need a point guard at all.

We just need our 2 best players to fight night in and night out.


Man, we're such a looooong ways away from, "You gotta fight. You gotta freaking fight"
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:11 pm to
For sure, that is a given. I'm saying Pels need 50+ from the two per game, and they've now shown, in several high-leverage games, that they collectively can't sustain pace for the full game.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20730 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:13 pm to
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I don't think we need a point guard at all.



Jose is now shooting 43% from 3 so far this year, and he's really played well. He's a quality backup PG.

Point guard is the least of our problems. Besides the lack of effort from Zion, the biggest problem last night was Zion and BI not running the Borrego offense and instead trying to iso and failing.
Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
11544 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:15 pm to
Hard for BI to run any offense when the other guy(Zion) doesn’t give 2 shits to run, cut or jump. BI has issues- but he went to iso ball last night because frankly with lakers defense and Zion he didn’t have much of a choice.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 3:16 pm to
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He's a quality backup PG


Jose is the Pels best PG, that's the issue.
Posted by Pistol44
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2019
2298 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 4:19 pm to
They ran the offense, leaving wide open Val threes from the corner.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
62077 posts
Posted on 12/8/23 at 4:49 pm to
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It is hard to imagine the number of calories he has to be putting down to gain weight while playing in the middle of the season!


Obviously, Zion enjoys to eat. And the more you lift and do cardio, the more hungry you are. All this is not ground breaking. If you’re going to lift and run hard, you have to be disciplined to keep your caloric intake below how many you’re burning.

But somebody mentioned the club, and I don’t know if that was a real thing or just a joke. I also don’t know if Zion is a raging drunk or a tee-totaler who has never touched alcohol in his life. But alcohol can add a ton of empty calories that a lot of people don’t either factor or don’t keep up with accurately. And he may not have hit that age yet—in my early 20s I could drink till 4 am, and manage to work out and run 5-6 miles the next day pretty easily. But at some point those hangovers catch up with you and makes it much harder to do the requisite cardio required to keep that caloric deficit.

Again, I have no idea if Zion drinks a lot, a little, or never at all. Just that those empty calories and accompanying hangovers that make it more difficult to work out as hard as necessary, could potentially explain it. I don’t know.
Posted by CrystalPreserves
Member since May 2019
4015 posts
Posted on 12/9/23 at 9:30 am to
He’s gonna be another Stanley Roberts/Shawn Kemp and eat his way out the league lol
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