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re: i only want Rivers or Drummond....Period!!!
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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fwiw, we should be targeting buying a pick in the teens to get andrew nicholson
Why on earth would we buy a pick to draft another PF? If he's falling to the 20s even if he has the potential to be better than Smith and Ayon he'll never reach that potential because he'll get no minutes as the 5th big.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:18 am to TigerinATL
a. it would only cost money
b. he's got legit potential to be a stretch 4 and compliment davis very well in 2 years
c. he's really, really good defensively
d. i haven't bought into the cult of jason smith yet
b. he's got legit potential to be a stretch 4 and compliment davis very well in 2 years
c. he's really, really good defensively
d. i haven't bought into the cult of jason smith yet
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Last year for Drummond was difficult from getting to Connecticut late, Calhoun's suspension and Lamb being the go to guy. Plus, most scouts felt Drummond was being forced to be too much of a back to the basket type player when that's not what he was coming in. He actually was a Stoudemire type faceup type player who would either shoot the 15 footer or ball fake and go around u for the dunk.
He needs to work on his post up game no doubt but which big man besides Sullinger would we not say that about?
The boy actually has decent handles to get around defenders. He is not a true center but hell no one is anymore except for Dwight, Bynum, and Hibbert.
The more I compare highlights the more its apparent that he is the one u take if there.
He needs to work on his post up game no doubt but which big man besides Sullinger would we not say that about?
The boy actually has decent handles to get around defenders. He is not a true center but hell no one is anymore except for Dwight, Bynum, and Hibbert.
The more I compare highlights the more its apparent that he is the one u take if there.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:34 am to irvchilichill1
Drummond is one of the youngest players in the draft if he would have stayed another year with a full summer to develop he would easily average 15 and 10 next year at UConn or better. He is just 18.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:40 am to SlowFlowPro
Has there been precedent of a team buying a pick in the late teens before ? I can't recall of one.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:41 am to MrWiseGuy
i think the suns sold a late lottery pick once. i'll try to see if i can find it
i'm stuck at home with a dead car battery so i have a few minutes
i'm stuck at home with a dead car battery so i have a few minutes
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
I have to say I kind of agree with both sides here.
I agree with Jester that Drummond is crap. He really is. He was just a bad basketball player last year, and his work ethic is highly questionable. I actually dislike him greatly as a prospect.
But I agree with the other side that his physical talent is actually pretty rare. I think you sometimes have to take risks on potential, especially when you have the sure thing in Davis. And his potential is off the charts. Its a calculated risk that you probably have to take. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out, and you still have Davis and Gordon, and you can probably trade Drummond because people always take chances on young big men.
I'm not reading irvchili's ramblings because he seems like a tard.
But anyway, its irrelevant. Big men almost ALWAYS rise in the draft when the day gets closer, so he almost certainly won't be there at 10.
I agree with Jester that Drummond is crap. He really is. He was just a bad basketball player last year, and his work ethic is highly questionable. I actually dislike him greatly as a prospect.
But I agree with the other side that his physical talent is actually pretty rare. I think you sometimes have to take risks on potential, especially when you have the sure thing in Davis. And his potential is off the charts. Its a calculated risk that you probably have to take. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out, and you still have Davis and Gordon, and you can probably trade Drummond because people always take chances on young big men.
I'm not reading irvchili's ramblings because he seems like a tard.
But anyway, its irrelevant. Big men almost ALWAYS rise in the draft when the day gets closer, so he almost certainly won't be there at 10.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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d. i haven't bought into the cult of jason smith yet
Surely you think he's worth 15 minutes per game, no?
96 Total Minutes Avaialable at PF/C
Okafor 30
Davis 25
Goose 15
Smith 15
That leaves 11 minutes per game for Nicholson. And you know the 5th big isn't getting a steady 11 minutes per, it will be 15-20 every handful of games and DNPs the rest of the time. I'm not opposed to buying a pick to draft a future starter, but if he needs to be developed and he's a big I think the odds are against it working out.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:51 am to TigerinATL
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That leaves 11 minutes per game for Nicholson.
as a rookie
i fully expect okafor's role to diminish quickly this year and be really reduced the year after
ayon likely won't be re-signed when he's a FA
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but if he needs to be developed and he's a big I think the odds are against it working out.
development doesn't mean playing time
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Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:57 am to Fun Bunch
Fun bunch... You seem like a person who cant make up your mind! You either like him for potential or don't bc of work ethic. Pick one and stand firm.
And how am I a tard bc I state my opinion with conviction? what is the rant for then?
We can state opinions and agree to disagree without baseless derogatory comments, can't we?
U don't even know me other than I like Drummond to draft and u like well... I don't know who you like but you just state the obvious about both sides of the Drummond argument..
But my friend, who would you take at the 10 spot?
And how am I a tard bc I state my opinion with conviction? what is the rant for then?
We can state opinions and agree to disagree without baseless derogatory comments, can't we?
U don't even know me other than I like Drummond to draft and u like well... I don't know who you like but you just state the obvious about both sides of the Drummond argument..
But my friend, who would you take at the 10 spot?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:09 am to irvchilichill1
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Fun bunch... You seem like a person who cant make up your mind! You either like him for potential or don't bc of work ethic. Pick one and stand firm.
And how am I a tard bc I state my opinion with conviction? what is the rant for then?
We can state opinions and agree to disagree without baseless derogatory comments, can't we?
U don't even know me other than I like Drummond to draft and u like well... I don't know who you like but you just state the obvious about both sides of the Drummond argument..
But my friend, who would you take at the 10 spot?
You are a tard because you can barely spell, you can't seem to get a grip on paragraphs, spacing, sentence structure, or coherent thoughts.
And you claimed you were a great talent evaluator. Do you have coach's game film at home? Are you going around scouting prospects? Have you worked as a scout at the NBA or major college level? frick no. You don't know shite, so don't try to throw in stupid crap like that. You know just as much as anyone else.
Third, if you were older than 12, you would understand that things are more complex than "Pick one simple idea and stand firm".
Picking a player is a complex process. You not only factor in the PLAYER, but the POSITION and the SLOT in which they are picked, and your team's chemistry, makeup, and championship window.
Drummond WAS a crap player at UCONN. He quite simply, sucked outside of the offensive glass and stat wise, blocking. He is raw as hell and has no offensive game. You simply cannot deny this, and if you do, I know for a fact you didn't watch him play at all. And his work ethic is questionable.
However, he does have rare PHYSICAL talent. He is unquestionably physically gifted, he's just not very good at basketball right now.
I would NOT pick him at 1-5. Probably not 6-7 either. But at 10, the upside starts to outweigh the risk. AND when you factor in we already have Anthony Davis, you can afford to take more chances.
I would pick him at 10, depending on who is available. But, I like you have no access to him. I haven't interviewed him. I haven't gotten to look into his character, back ground, the real story on his work ethic. Dell and Monty presumably will.
Again, all academic. Teams always fall in love with big men enough to pick the next bust in the top 7.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:11 am to irvchilichill1
I want Rivers.
He has superstar potential and has ice in his veins (Buzzer Beater vs UNC).
Not to mention the excitement he will create being Doc Rivers son. He and Davis would be a sick combo IMO.
Put him at point guard with EG at the 2.
He has superstar potential and has ice in his veins (Buzzer Beater vs UNC).
Not to mention the excitement he will create being Doc Rivers son. He and Davis would be a sick combo IMO.
Put him at point guard with EG at the 2.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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i fully expect okafor's role to diminish quickly this year and be really reduced the year after
True. If Okafor's not amnestied he's probably gone by the 2013 trade deadline.
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ayon likely won't be re-signed when he's a FA
I'm not so sure about that. He's still an MLE level guy at best and he's just a great bench big because he's so versatile. Someone would really have to throw crazy money at him for him to not stay with the Hornets.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:22 am to TigerinATL
Ayon stays if Vasquez stays
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:35 am to BomBayTiger
I wasn't big on Rivers, but he has grown on me. I watched some of his videos and think he will be a very good player.
Drummond still scares me, but I'd definitely take him at 10. He is not undersized IMO, its just that NBA heights are exaggerated. 6'9.75" (w/out shoes) is good height for an NBA center. Dwight Howard measured at 6'9" at his pre-draft measurements, and they will both be drafted at 19. And he is taller than Emeka, who is a solid center.
Drummond still scares me, but I'd definitely take him at 10. He is not undersized IMO, its just that NBA heights are exaggerated. 6'9.75" (w/out shoes) is good height for an NBA center. Dwight Howard measured at 6'9" at his pre-draft measurements, and they will both be drafted at 19. And he is taller than Emeka, who is a solid center.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 10:40 am to aswemajor
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Ayon stays if Vasquez stays
You do know Venezuela and Mexico are two different places, right?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 12:22 pm to Slickback
I think best case scenario is we draft Rivers bc I'm sure Drummond is gone by the 10th selection and we trade our first round pick next year-top 7 protected to get back in the 20's this year and take another big who may have slipped like a Moultrie or Leonard since so many are fapping over him.
Next year class is weak and I expect us to be out of the lottery next year if we resign Gordon, Rivers is decent, and Davis plays above average his first year. Sign a quality free agent and that's a playoff team.
Whoever we draft late in the first this year could develop and see if he can contribute down the stretch but I would probably want Moultrie bc I think he will be a solid backup center in the league sooner than later.
Next year class is weak and I expect us to be out of the lottery next year if we resign Gordon, Rivers is decent, and Davis plays above average his first year. Sign a quality free agent and that's a playoff team.
Whoever we draft late in the first this year could develop and see if he can contribute down the stretch but I would probably want Moultrie bc I think he will be a solid backup center in the league sooner than later.
This post was edited on 6/12/12 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 6/12/12 at 1:27 pm to TigerinATL
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I'm not so sure about that. He's still an MLE level guy at best and he's just a great bench big because he's so versatile. Someone would really have to throw crazy money at him for him to not stay with the Hornets.
oh i just think he'll ask for $ and we'll want to spend it all on free agents that year
Posted on 6/12/12 at 1:30 pm to Fun Bunch
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You do know Venezuela and Mexico are two different places, right?
They have good chemistry and they both speak Spanish.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 1:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Is Jester the biggest retard on HT?
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