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re: i only want Rivers or Drummond....Period!!!
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:39 am to Jester
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:39 am to Jester
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Drummond's inserts are just more laughable because he lost a full 2 inches when he took off his shoes.
this isn't some new phenomenon MKG had a similar boost with shoes
everyone gets 1.5-2.0" when the shoes come on
i don't think they do standing reach in shoes, either. i could be wrong about that
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To me, the way Drummond has approached the draft has made me start to feel more and more like I would pass on him at 10.
he's not doing too badly, and those decisions almost always come down to agents, anyway
if anything, his agent has a possibly inflated view of how high he will be picked
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Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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i don't think drummond even did everything
He did nothing but show up with 4 pairs of Dr. Scholls.
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Drummond wouldn't stand behind his athleticism, though. Too afraid of being exposed, I suppose. It's easier to ride the hype train and hope for the best, I guess.
whoa
It's all right there for you.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:40 am to SlowFlowPro
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i don't think they do standing reach in shoes, either. i could be wrong about that
I assumed they do because they use it for the vertical measurements. Someone mentioned that Davis may have sandbagged his standing reach a bit to pump up his vertical.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:41 am to Jester
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It's all right there for you.
did davis do all the athletic drills?
i think most of the top half of the lottery passed on the athletic testing
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
and for the record i don't want a big at 10
but if drummond falls, you have to pick him. the possible reward far outweighs the risk. just stash him for a year or 2 and hope he improves
but if drummond falls, you have to pick him. the possible reward far outweighs the risk. just stash him for a year or 2 and hope he improves
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
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but if drummond falls, you have to pick him. the possible reward far outweighs the risk. just stash him for a year or 2 and hope he improves
I actually said that very thing up to about a week ago, but as time goes on, I just feel more and more like I want someone that can help us compete sooner rather than maybe never.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:46 am to irvchilichill1
And not to get on stereotypes but as someone pointed out earlier, white American tall players who lack certifiable skill don't pan out. Jason Smith, Spencer Hawes, Dirk, Ryan Anderson... They are panning out not because of their physicality but bc of an appreciable skill, namely their shooting ability. The rest don't pan out bc they are average physical players and can't physically compete night in and night out.
Look at the teams that made the playoffs, besides Dirk and Hawes, and I just stated why they are panning out, name another white post player that has had an impact?
Now obviously they're exceptions to the rule, but I honestly can't remember or know of a dominant or All Star white post player since McHale. Sabonis, Ronnie Seikly?
Just doesnt happen and Leonard and Zeller will not change that anytime soon.
However, I do like the guy at Indiana right now so we will see about him, but don't try to sell me on Leonard or Seller and Dell and Monty know this fact as well.
I can promise you they would pick Moultrie over those two!
Look at the teams that made the playoffs, besides Dirk and Hawes, and I just stated why they are panning out, name another white post player that has had an impact?
Now obviously they're exceptions to the rule, but I honestly can't remember or know of a dominant or All Star white post player since McHale. Sabonis, Ronnie Seikly?
Just doesnt happen and Leonard and Zeller will not change that anytime soon.
However, I do like the guy at Indiana right now so we will see about him, but don't try to sell me on Leonard or Seller and Dell and Monty know this fact as well.
I can promise you they would pick Moultrie over those two!
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:46 am to Jester
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I just feel more and more like I want someone that can help us compete sooner rather than maybe never.
what makes you think Leonard is that guy?
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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if anything, his agent has a possibly inflated view of how high he will be picked
Exactly what I was saying earlier. Drummond participated in the parts that highlight him as a prospect (measureables) and avoided anything that could hurt his stock.
This post was edited on 6/12/12 at 8:48 am
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:51 am to Jester
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He did nothing but show up with 4 pairs of Dr. Scholls.
Dude, we get it. You don't like Drummond. No one here is exactly in love with him either, but you keep using the same argument to try to prove your point. We all see he is 6'9" without shoes, but stop trying to down play his athleticism in order to prove your point. We also get that Meyers Leonard also measures out well, but Leonard having good measurables doesn't mean Drummond can't have them too; more than one person can me gifted in the same department.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:53 am to MrPappagiorgio
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what makes you think Leonard is that guy?
I never said he was. I just used him as a comparison to Drummond earlier. I do think Leonard fits the Hornets needs better and has very similar boom/bust potential.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:55 am to mm2316
Leonard and Zeller will be no better than Tiago Splitter.... And he has shown that he will not be anything more than a body in the paint.
I see Leonard getting posterized more times than not and Zeller best attribute potentially will be solid rebounding and screen setting, no thanks...
I see Leonard getting posterized more times than not and Zeller best attribute potentially will be solid rebounding and screen setting, no thanks...
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:55 am to mm2316
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Drummond participated in the parts that highlight him as a prospect (measureables) and avoided anything that could hurt his stock.
His measurements were not all that impressive, though. Sure they were for an everyday joe, but for a top 15 pick, his numbers were not insane enough to make up for his lack of production.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:55 am to Jester
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I just feel more and more like I want someone that can help us compete sooner rather than maybe never.
then you want to re-sign kaman and draft a guard
fwiw, we should be targeting buying a pick in the teens to get andrew nicholson
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:56 am to irvchilichill1
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Leonard and Zeller will be no better than Tiago Splitter.... And he has shown that he will not be anything more than a body in the paint.
I see Leonard getting posterized more times than not and Zeller best attribute potentially will be solid rebounding and screen setting, no thanks...
And what fantastic skill do you see Drummond possessing? I'll post their numbers.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 8:59 am to mm2316
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Dude, we get it. You don't like Drummond. No one here is exactly in love with him either, but you keep using the same argument to try to prove your point. We all see he is 6'9" without shoes, but stop trying to down play his athleticism in order to prove your point. We also get that Meyers Leonard also measures out well, but Leonard having good measurables doesn't mean Drummond can't have them too; more than one person can me gifted in the same department.
Okay, friend. Sorry to have spoken out of line. Next time I'll give you a wee little tap on the bottom and say "Good job, little one."
By the way, someone here (OP) is clearly in love with him. If he's going to make that kind of proclamation, I am going to point out the flaws. Period!!!
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:04 am to Jester
Don't bother with the numbers... Look at the tools and skill man.. Drummond has the ability to compete at an All star level if he desires to do so.
Zeller and Leonard can desire and work hard all they want and still will not reach starter material, its that simple.
Unless one of them develops a consistent jumper, they will not be a factor offensively. Defensively, I don't see them making a difference either other than an occasional weakside block or just a player taking a dumb shot and them getting a easy block. Rebounding? Meh.. that's just about desire and positioning which anybody can work on if they want to.
They don't have a skill that translates to consistency in the NBA other than being 7 footers!
Zeller and Leonard can desire and work hard all they want and still will not reach starter material, its that simple.
Unless one of them develops a consistent jumper, they will not be a factor offensively. Defensively, I don't see them making a difference either other than an occasional weakside block or just a player taking a dumb shot and them getting a easy block. Rebounding? Meh.. that's just about desire and positioning which anybody can work on if they want to.
They don't have a skill that translates to consistency in the NBA other than being 7 footers!
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:06 am to irvchilichill1
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Drummond has the ability to compete at an All star level if he desires to do so.
Okay, I've looked. He shoots like shite, rebounds poorly, but blocks some shots. That's not an all-star. His FT shooting is so bad to imply he will never be an All Star.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:07 am to Jester
He may be the only player in the NBA where the Hack technique is statistically the correct move.
Posted on 6/12/12 at 9:11 am to irvchilichill1
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They don't have a skill that translates to consistency in the NBA other than being 7 footers!
What skill does Drummond possess that translates? Blocked shots do not translate so well, for the record. Rebounding does, oops.
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