re: I believe Griff has a trade lined up already

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We do need a stretch 4 but I would prefer him to be bigger and a better rim protector.

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Myles Turner is who Griff wants to complement Zion.

Secret Trade....

Ball is more likely to be gone than either.

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Unfortunately Giannis for Moore doesn't work in the trade machine :(

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LINK :)

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Okafor is a solid player, Moore is a solid player

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You don't build systems around rotation level (at best) players like Okafor and Moore. Any coach that does that is a fool.

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honestly just tired of building around the system instead of building the system around the players.

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You have no clue what you are talking about.

Finding guys who fit your system and a particular role is literally how you build a roster. You don't pull a Demps and grab as many small, combo guards as possible because "talent" Context, fit, system matter.

All the good teams in the league find rotation players who fit their system. Boston has been wonderful at it. Houston has been great at it. Miami has a good record there. The Spurs were unmatched at it for 20 years. Those teams have identities + coaches and FO that work together to target players that fit their systems/organizations, which is where Griffin is trying to take the Pels.

The theory on roster construction you continually push is utter nonsense.

As long as Gentry is our coach this team will do nothing of note and remain mediocre. He’s a horrid coach and refuses to adapt. Even guys like D’Antonio adapted st least somewhat to their talent. Gentry refuses to do it at all, is a horrible in-game coach and all around an albatross.

This team will stay in neutral at best until he’s gone.

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You have no clue what you are talking about.

Finding guys who fit your system and a particular role is literally how you build a roster. You don't pull a Demps and grab as many small, combo guards as possible because "talent" Context, fit, system matter.

All the good teams in the league find rotation players who fit their system. Boston has been wonderful at it. Houston has been great at it. Miami has a good record there. The Spurs were unmatched at it for 20 years. Those teams have identities + coaches and FO that work together to target players that fit their systems/organizations, which is where Griffin is trying to take the Pels.

The theory on roster construction you continually push is utter nonsense

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Did you attempt to make a counter-argument by holding up the Spurs and Rockets as teams that are dogmatically beholden to strict systems?

And I don't know what I am talking about?

You mean the Rockets that have gone from a half-court offense to 7 seconds or less pace and space to now an iso-heavy system to maximize their recent two stars?

The Spurs who have steadily evolved from an interior post team to the definition of ball movement and increasingly half-court perimeter orientated shooting through their 13-14 championship run to a minimal three-point slash and pace team to adapt to a set of players that have a set of strengths and weaknesses not conducive to those prior systems?

No one is saying you don't have a broad concept or philosophy, but the difference between a Popovich and a Gentry is that Gentry is going to continue trying to force his team into the square hole no matter how many round players he has, no matter how far along the learning curve(or physical curve) they are to master his system, while Pop is going to identify the round pegs and design plays and schemes to maximize their strengths and minimize weaknesses, steadily coaching them up to a curtailed system organized for his core team. He is going to coach to the players, not the system. He is going to find schemes, lineups, and ways to design round holes for those players to fit into, Gentry is going to continue to default to the same core tendencies and ways of playing, only slightly altering around the edges for particular players. And if you can't see that in watching this team under Gentry, or Pop over the years, then I question how you have managed to spend this much time with a sport and learn so little.

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No one is saying you don't have a broad concept or philosophy

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You have made multiple posts arguing that coaches need to change their philosophies to fit rosters, which implies a coach doesn't have a broad philosophy.

More to the point, you suggested above that the Pels should build a system based on the talents of role players like Okafor and Moore. That is insane.

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Gentry is going to continue trying to force his team into the square hole no matter how many round players he has, no matter how far along the learning curve(or physical curve) they are to master his system, while Pop is going to identify the round pegs and design plays and schemes to maximize their strengths and minimize weaknesses

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There is no argument that Gentry is a good coach.

But the above is not an example of fitting a philosophy around a roster. What you are describing here is a coach changing his tactics to maximize player strengths and limit weaknesses.

You also ignore the role a front office plays in identifying supporting pieces that fit into the context the coach is building. That matters. The Spurs and Rockets consistently find quality role players who help them win 45+ games year after year. It's not an accident and not all because of "genius" tweaking and coaching.

Now, what Pop did to their offense in the Duncan era is unparalleled. It's a large part of why he is the maybe the best coach ever; no one else has done anything like that on the fly.

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He is going to find schemes, lineups, and ways to design round holes for those players to fit into

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...within the context of his philosophy of basketball and the systems he has in place. D'Antoni hasn't changed his philosophy, he's tweaked his schemes to maximize a superstar like Harden, just like Pop has tweaked his schemes to fit the flawed shot profiles of DeRozan and Aldridge. The Spurs still play with tempo and run many of the same sets.

Teams need an identity. The best teams have a superstar that creates that identity and a coach that brings systems that maximize that player's talents to lift the whole team up. The best teams find role players, like Moore and Okafor, that fit within the context of that system, especially as the league moves to shorter and shorter contracts.

No one builds a roster by grabbing random players, and then expecting a coach to tailor the entire system to fit those players.

The Pels have no identity now. Some of that is because of the players on the floor. Much of that is also on Gentry. Real hard to say what exactly the Pels do well other than take and give up lots of shots early in the clock. Playing fast isn't a philosophy; it's a tactic. Playing with tempo is a different animal. Gentry's teams play fast, but rarely with good tempo. That is a huge problem

The best thing to come from this year is the Pels front office figuring out how to maximize Zion/Ingram to lift the rest of the team up and then targeting a coach who runs a system that matches that (a la Milwaukee and Bud).