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Hypo:Let's say AD opts in, what would it take for him to sign supermax?
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:52 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:52 am
I'm just as salty as the majority of the posters here about keeping AD (looking at you Bunch)
I'm also rational enough (I think) to realize that a core grouping of AD/Jrue/Zion has more potential to get you titles than several other potential paths.
So let's say AD opts in because he wants to see firsthand if Zion has the potential to really be that 3rd star.
The Pels get the 6 seed next year, beat the 3 seed, and get to 7 games in the WC semis. That, imo, should be enough for him to say, "hey, we got something here."
Thoughts? If that isnt enough what else do you think AD would want to see?
I'm also rational enough (I think) to realize that a core grouping of AD/Jrue/Zion has more potential to get you titles than several other potential paths.
So let's say AD opts in because he wants to see firsthand if Zion has the potential to really be that 3rd star.
The Pels get the 6 seed next year, beat the 3 seed, and get to 7 games in the WC semis. That, imo, should be enough for him to say, "hey, we got something here."
Thoughts? If that isnt enough what else do you think AD would want to see?
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Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:56 am to whatiknowsofar
Honestly, I think flying out to San Fran and beating Golden State in their own house would open his eyes a bit.
Remember, the trade demand in February came after he folded in mid game against the Warriors on a road trip, coming to the belief that the Pels would never be better than the Warriors.
Remember, the trade demand in February came after he folded in mid game against the Warriors on a road trip, coming to the belief that the Pels would never be better than the Warriors.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:57 am to whatiknowsofar
If he hasn't signed an extension by the deadline, you have to move him.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:57 am to whatiknowsofar
i will go on record saying that AD is going to opt in and be all in with a handshake agreement that it they are not real contenders going into the 2020 season that the Pels will let him pick his trade destination.
ETA: Not 'opt in" but AD will sign the SuperMax extension.
ETA: Not 'opt in" but AD will sign the SuperMax extension.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 10:58 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:58 am to Slingin Pickle
If he doesn’t agree to the Supermax after the Meeting with Griffin, you move him. Either he’s ALL IN or he’s gone. There’s no in between here.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 10:59 am to whatiknowsofar
I'd say a few things need to happen.
He has to see that Zion is as elite as we think he is and will continue to develop.
He has to see the dedication to improving the franchise actually coming to fruition off the court as much as on.
He has to see that his star power is not diminished by Zion's presence but enhanced.
We have to be in the playoffs and ultra competitive, at least 2nd round I think.
He has to see that Zion is as elite as we think he is and will continue to develop.
He has to see the dedication to improving the franchise actually coming to fruition off the court as much as on.
He has to see that his star power is not diminished by Zion's presence but enhanced.
We have to be in the playoffs and ultra competitive, at least 2nd round I think.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:04 am to supe12sta12z
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If he doesn’t agree to the Supermax after the Meeting with Griffin, you move him. Either he’s ALL IN or he’s gone. There’s no in between here.
Well that's just simply not true.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:06 am to Fun Bunch
Warriors next year will not be The Warriors of this year. I see no reason that a motivated team of Jrue-AD-and Zion could not surpass Denver or the Blazers with a few additions. 7 seed is not where this team should wind up.
Now if we trade AD and go with a Tatum-Brown package, we are probably closer to a 6-7 seed with that squad next year.
Now if we trade AD and go with a Tatum-Brown package, we are probably closer to a 6-7 seed with that squad next year.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:10 am to whatiknowsofar
For the umpteenth time, how far they get is a small part of the equation. That is random and luck based. It would be far more about how the franchise functions and the resources it provides
This is why PG stayed despite a first round exit and Dame said even before this playoff run that he wanted to stay there for his career
This is why PG stayed despite a first round exit and Dame said even before this playoff run that he wanted to stay there for his career
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:10 am to saints5021
But that’s fine because we are young with a future
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:16 am to teke184
Ironic, because that was one of 10 games last year where the supporting cast played great and AD played absolutely terrible and cost us the game. He’s ultimately a soft loser and that is never going to change. The one year he had a somewhat strong mentality he was the 3rd leader on the team behind Rondo and even injured Boogie. He also seemed decently motivated, albeit still extremely fragile under Monty. Let’s get him out of here. Ideally we move him to Boston for their pieces that have playoff experience and know what it takes to win. I’d rather 75 plus full effort games out of Jaylen, Tatum and Smart than 65 half arse games out of AD.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 11:19 am
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:24 am to TeachMeHowTaDante
Amen brother. Took the words outta my mouth. I’m done with this fake superstar.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 11:37 am to TeachMeHowTaDante
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The one year he had a somewhat strong mentality he was the 3rd leader on the team behind Rondo and even injured Boogie.
Boogie was a cancer. If strong mentality means being a complete jackass at all times, then yes.
Posted on 5/17/19 at 12:29 pm to iwyLSUiwy
Cousins did play out Free Agency like an emotional lesbian, but Boogie was a good influence on AD’s effort even when injured. AD actually played games through bumps and bruises after Cousins ruptured his Achilles and it was likely 100% due to Cousins communicating with him and almost guilting AD to play. AD would’ve felt bad sitting out with a bruise, knowing his brother would give anything to simply have a bruise. The Boogie is a cancer thing is extremely overplayed. He generally has a positive influence on teammates. AD thought so highly of him, he played through bumps and bruises he never previously played through and likely never will again.
I’m ready to move on from AD. Top 10 Talent, but Bottom 10% leadership, toughness and mental fortitude. I don’t want him to be around Zion for half a second. It’s hard enough building a winner around him at a 26m a year salary. It’s going to be absolutely impossible when he commands 45m. Imo he is not worthy of a super max. There are only 4-5 players in the league worth that money. You not only have to have the talent, you have to be a leader, be durable and impact winning. AD is honestly worth about 25-30m a year and is ideally a secondary star on a championship team.
I’m ready to move on from AD. Top 10 Talent, but Bottom 10% leadership, toughness and mental fortitude. I don’t want him to be around Zion for half a second. It’s hard enough building a winner around him at a 26m a year salary. It’s going to be absolutely impossible when he commands 45m. Imo he is not worthy of a super max. There are only 4-5 players in the league worth that money. You not only have to have the talent, you have to be a leader, be durable and impact winning. AD is honestly worth about 25-30m a year and is ideally a secondary star on a championship team.
This post was edited on 5/17/19 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 5/18/19 at 1:33 am to whatiknowsofar
I’m just not cool with taking that risk of him not working out an extension and significantly losing out on some really good pieces to build around Zion.
He’s already shown he doesn’t want to be here. Why risk the future of the organization on a guy like that if he doesn’t sign supermax?
He’s already shown he doesn’t want to be here. Why risk the future of the organization on a guy like that if he doesn’t sign supermax?
Posted on 5/18/19 at 8:04 am to Fun Bunch
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He has to see the dedication to improving the franchise
Yep. I've never blamed AD for wanting out. Demps & Co. literally fricked away almost 7 years of a Top 5 talent's career.
I doubt AD would feel threatened over diminishing star power to a rookie. Hell, his current escape plan is to play second banana to his former Dream Team elders, Lebron or KD (who btw never ran to him when they had the chance to in FA.) AD, believe it or not, is a team player, not content with being a one-man show that would normally suit a real Diva's ego.
But like you said, he has to see that Zion is elite and that management has built a true contender with the roster.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 9:02 am to whatiknowsofar
I guess I don’t understand the original hypothetical
Are you saying AD opts into his 2020-2021 player option? Why would he do that?
We already have him under contract for next season, so are you saying he opts into actually playing with effort and not just riding the bench until his contract expires?
We could hypothetically keep Davis and hope that he likes all the changes so much he signs an extension - or keep him and if he is still upset at the trade deadline, move him.
But - we will never get more value for him in trade than we will right now. This is the time to make the decision.
I don’t really understand the comments that we can trade him next year. We don’t have him next year. If he signs the Supermax he is locked in to Pels for 5 years in his prime. He will and has to play his best if he wants any legacy. And with SMax he’s not eligible for trade until 2021. Then, If it doesn’t work out, you have to wonder if it’s even possible to move Davis’ $50m/y back end contract for anything but overpriced trash.
Are you saying AD opts into his 2020-2021 player option? Why would he do that?
We already have him under contract for next season, so are you saying he opts into actually playing with effort and not just riding the bench until his contract expires?
We could hypothetically keep Davis and hope that he likes all the changes so much he signs an extension - or keep him and if he is still upset at the trade deadline, move him.
But - we will never get more value for him in trade than we will right now. This is the time to make the decision.
I don’t really understand the comments that we can trade him next year. We don’t have him next year. If he signs the Supermax he is locked in to Pels for 5 years in his prime. He will and has to play his best if he wants any legacy. And with SMax he’s not eligible for trade until 2021. Then, If it doesn’t work out, you have to wonder if it’s even possible to move Davis’ $50m/y back end contract for anything but overpriced trash.
Posted on 5/18/19 at 9:09 am to Andynola
Yes, it was in regards to AD opting in for 2020-2021.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:34 am to whatiknowsofar
You need to move him he doesn't want to be here so dump him while you can still get alot for him because he will opt out next year then you get nothing.
Posted on 5/19/19 at 12:39 am to AlbinoGator
All depends on the meeting next week
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