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TeddyPadillac
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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
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let’s say that Griffin has a 4/80m contract that he has to give to one player this offseason
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c. Oladipo




You do know that Oladipo turned down 2/$45 from Houston, and the Pacers reportedly offered him a 4 year extension that he rejected, and that was while he was injured.

He wasn't signing an extension with anyone b/c he wants $30M+, and the max anyone could give him with an extension was $25M.




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You do know that Oladipo turned down 2/$45 from Houston, and the Pacers reportedly offered him a 4 year extension that he rejected, and that was while he was injured. He wasn't signing an extension with anyone b/c he wants $30M+, and the max anyone could give him with an extension was $25M.


Yeah, that’s why I included “Hypo” in the title of the thread. I’m not saying any of these guys are getting that. It’s a thought exercise to gage the worth of Ball. Just killing time in the Pels offseason


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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
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Brogdon and it’s not really close. Now if the Ball you’re referring to is LaMelo them that’s an entirely different story.


When brogdon was the age that Lonzo is right now, he was still in college lol.

Lonzo already has 4 years of nba experience.


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When brogdon was the age that Lonzo is right now, he was still in college lol.

Lonzo already has 4 years of nba experience.



Cool. are you trying to tell us staying in college makes you better?

Brogdon is better for this team for the next 4-5 years than Lonzo. If you expect to keep guys like this longer than that, you're doing it wrong.


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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
I am saying Brogdon is what he is.

Lonzo is still getting better. And in most areas is already just as good as Brogdon


So you either get the 29 year old going into the twilight of his career or the ascending 23 year old who hasn’t peaked yet


Same thing with Duncan Robinson. I’m not paying a guy that much money to just be a 1 dimensional player.


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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
I'm mostly afraid that Lonzo has still shown no desire/ability to get to and finish at the rim on any sort of consistent basis. Until then, he's a 3 & D player whose defense is overrated and his 3 point shot is streaky.


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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
I'm still fine retaining the asset, though 20 million is sort of above the limit I had in my head, but the holes in Lonzo's game are still glaring and in a lot of areas haven't budged since he entered the league.

This team very much needs a third playmaker on offense. One that can reliably break down the defense on the ball and through movement in the half court. Can be a three level scorer and go get you a bucket.

And when Lonzo's shot isn't falling you might as well not even have him out there because he doesn't really find other ways to contribute in the half court.



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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
How much do you think rose will get paid? I think he will help us out a lot. Seems like he is done with Knicks antics. That face reaction when Randle was high fiving the team for doing a flagrant foul tells you everything.

Found the video
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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
Someone will pay him more than we are comfortable with. I think we can find a better fit for cheaper anyway


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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
I feel like if we can get him at 15 million, we should pull it. I know he is getting paid 2/15 now. But he is the reason why Knicks aren’t getting killed in the playoffs.


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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
He'd be interesting. With his age I can't imagine he'll get a huge contract, but probably a bit of a raise.

Not the ideal spacer for BI/Zion, but has shown he can still be a very good guard.

And I like the idea of someone leaving NY to come here and then talking bad about it....For Zion purposes lol

Not the direction I would want but I wouldnt melt.

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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
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And in most areas is already just as good as Brogdon


Nah.


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We’re just tight on cap space so we have to be smart about it. I’d rather not free up 15 million to just turn around and give it to rose because of what we’d have to do to make it work (pay someone to outright dump Adams or Bledsoe, or let Lonzo walk for free) I don’t think Rose is worth it.
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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
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Lonzo is still getting better.


I don't see how Lonzo gets significantly better without becoming more physical and aggressive, both defensively and in attacking the basket. That's not a switch that's easy to flip. To me that's what it comes down to. If the team believes he is likely to change his mentality, keep him. And maybe they feel he took steps to doing that this season. But if they don't you have to let him go because he's not going to be just another 3 & D wing, which is nice but not unique enough to be worth $20 million.
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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
Comes down to price to me with Lonzo.

If you cant line up a S&T or find a better fit, then I'm ok retaining him for under 20 and then selling him to the next Clippers etc. that need a guard and think it will put them over the top.

But I very much agree that it is difficult to envision Lonzo just suddenly becoming a skilled, efficient, and consistent rim attacker. Not to mention I think part of the reason he doesn't do it is his history with injuries. Which is another concern we need to take into account. Guy's healthiest season was last year and he still missed a half dozen games. 10 or more missed games the other seasons....And that was with him allergic to attackign the rim. Gotta wonder what happens if he does it a lot more frequently.
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TeddyPadillac
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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
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I am saying Brogdon is what he is.




which is much better than Lonzo.

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Lonzo is still getting better. And in most areas is already just as good as Brogdon



Cool. He won't be as good as Brogdon is, and he isn't as good as Brogdon is at anything right now. Lonzo will never be an elite defender like Brogdon, and he'll never be even average as a guy that drives to the goal, and he'll never be able to create his own shot. Lonzo has no dog in him, and never will.
Lonzo is still a good player that can get better.

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So you either get the 29 year old going into the twilight of his career or the ascending 23 year old who hasn’t peaked yet



I'll take the guy that i know is better right now and for the next 4 years over the guy that will never be able to do the things we need him to do to compliment our superstars.

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Same thing with Duncan Robinson. I’m not paying a guy that much money to just be a 1 dimensional player.



What is Lonzo's multi dimensions as a player?
What does Lonzo do that is elite like Duncan does? Duncan is an elite shooter that has gravity on offense off the ball. I'll wait for you to tell me Lonzo's 3P% to say he's as good a shooter as Duncan and Brogdon.


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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
I feel like Lonzo can be an elite defender. When he plays really good defense is when the team does great. He rubs off on the team energy the most imo. Sadly our team energy isn’t high level.


southdowns84
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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
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don't see how Lonzo gets significantly better without becoming more physical and aggressive, both defensively and in attacking the basket. That's not a switch that's easy to flip. To me that's what it comes down to.


My thoughts exactly.

Lonzo has improved tremendously as a shooter. He’s yet to show he’s capable of becoming more than adequate in the half court offense and he might be getting worse defensively. That’s a huge problem consider our specific needs.


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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
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I feel like Lonzo can be an elite defender. When he plays really good defense is when the team does great. He rubs off on the team energy the most imo. Sadly our team energy isn’t high level.




I think people undervalue his defense personally.

At the same time, he's not your ideal first option defender of an opposing team's best player. But that is how he was used last season. Statistically him and Dort drew the toughest assignments in the league last season, and Lonzo just isn't good enough to justify it.

But the rub is, because Lonzo can't be your half court PG, that means if you have a Lonzo, you need one. And if you also need that other person to be the better defender, you basically have Brogdon, Jrue, and Haliburton to chose from as guards, PG, Kawhi, Lebron as forwards. And one asked out and the rest aren't realistically available.

....Of course a lot of that COULD change if Zion/Bi can become just average defenders.


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TeddyPadillac
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re: Hypo: Who would you rather pay
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I feel like Lonzo can be an elite defender.



I feel like he could be to with his skill sets, but i also am about 99% sure he never will be. Being an elite defender is more mental than it is physical. Jrue is elite b/c he sees the picks and gets around them effectively. Lonzo is the worst player i've seen in a long time at getting around picks. Either he simply doesn't give a shite to try to get around them, and/or he's too stupid to know how to do it.

what he should be doing is harassing the other teams PG the second they get the ball, a lot like what TJ McConnell did to him and made him look like a high school kid.


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