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re: How Good Does This Team Have To Be For You To Accept Losing the 2022 1st?
Posted on 1/15/22 at 6:17 pm to shel311
Posted on 1/15/22 at 6:17 pm to shel311
quote:
That has nothing to do with the discussion you replied to
They were discussing if Hampton was arse right? He was still a positive asset after playing better than expected his rookie year and helped them get AGordon.
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Posted on 1/15/22 at 6:19 pm to brmark70816
It's the hope that herb can, since they considered him someone who can.
The issue is that even if you wanted to turn him into your lead guard, he's at least 3 years away from that. He's better off being a secondary handler like Ingram and zion, focusing on defense because that's what he's great at now. He can become elite.
Kira's injury really set us back, because it's his development that can set this team for success. He's fast, he finishes well, he has a decent shot, and he makes pretty good decisions.
The issue is that even if you wanted to turn him into your lead guard, he's at least 3 years away from that. He's better off being a secondary handler like Ingram and zion, focusing on defense because that's what he's great at now. He can become elite.
Kira's injury really set us back, because it's his development that can set this team for success. He's fast, he finishes well, he has a decent shot, and he makes pretty good decisions.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 6:39 pm to htran90
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It's the hope that herb can, since they considered him someone who can.
Who did? I have never seen a serious NBA person suggest that Jones could be a starting level NBA PG. Never seen it. It would be wholly unprecedented for it to happen. No college PF has vaulted into the league and become a starting PG in the NBA. Never. It doesn't make sense to do it. Lebron James is the most gifted player and passer of this generation. He has never played PG. Why not? Cause it's dumb and it would kill him chasing one all game. There is no advantage gained. That's why Mario Chalmers has 2 rings.
This really isn't a thing and has no chance of happening..
Posted on 1/15/22 at 6:39 pm to Townedrunkard
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They were discussing if Hampton was arse right? He was still a positive asset after playing better than expected his rookie year and helped them get AGordon.
Let it go man. You live off "calling" the Adams trade like Al Bundy lived off the city championship. Come up with something new to contribute to the conversation.
Was the Adams trade bad? Yes.
Would I trade 2 late 1sts for JV, which is what we basically did? Yes.
Would I rather have JV than RJ Hampton and the Lakers 1st if it's outside of the top 10? Yes again.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 6:41 pm to brmark70816
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I have never seen a serious NBA person suggest that Jones could be a starting level NBA PG.
We're not talking about him being a starting PG, we're talking about having enough secondary creators on the floor to make up for the lack of a primary creator. Until they find a way to add a lead guard to the mix that's the path they're going to need to take. It's part of why Hart has been so valuable this year. The drives he's taking aren't really in the half court, but they get the job done.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 6:50 pm to TigerinATL
There's some posters on this board who just enjoy beating a dead horse.
Said horse(s) are halfway to China by now with how much they've been beaten into the ground.
Said horse(s) are halfway to China by now with how much they've been beaten into the ground.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 6:55 pm to TigerinATL
Making the playoffs makes it worth it.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 6:58 pm to TigerinATL
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We're not talking about him being a starting PG, we're talking about having enough secondary creators on the floor to make up for the lack of a primary creator.
Dude, someone posted this on the last page..
Herb
Powell
Ingram
Zion
Val
I mean, that is saying Jones as the starting PG. Right?
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:07 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:Nah, you're still off here.
They were discussing if Hampton was arse right? He was still a positive asset after playing better than expected his rookie year and helped them get AGordon.
Most rookies or young players are negative on court players. That doesn't make them negative assets in totality.
Hampton can be a negative player now, he is, and still there's no reason to insinuate or overstate his play now.
There's a clear difference.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 7:21 pm to brmark70816
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Dude, someone posted this on the last page..
Herb
Powell
Ingram
Zion
Val
I mean, that is saying Jones as the starting PG. Right?
Yes. But they were talking about if Herb got better as a creator, lets say BI level. I think you'd still probably have a Graham or NAW on the floor with that unit rather than Powell or Hart.
They've drafted NAW/Kira, tried really hard to get a FA PG this summer, and I'm sure have been trying hard to trade for a lead guard. It's just a problem without a readily available solution so you have to figure out how to make the most of what you have.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:16 pm to shel311
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Nah, you're still off here. Most rookies or young players are negative on court players. That doesn't make them negative assets in totality.
Nah, I think you are off. Hampton maybe a negative player, he was 19 when traded but like I said showed enough his rookie year to be a net positive asset that most thought played a lot better relative to his draft position.
There is zero doubt that Adams was a negative asset with his contract and years left. Like I said Hampton helped the Nuggets land a better player. We had to cough up more in the trade for JV due to Adams value.
This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:23 pm to TigerinATL
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Yes. But they were talking about if Herb got better as a creator, lets say BI level. I think you'd still probably have a Graham or NAW on the floor with that unit rather than Powell or Hart.
Yeah the assumption (and fanboy optimism) was that Herb could play a pg role in that hypo.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:28 pm to TigerinATL
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Would I trade 2 late 1sts for JV, which is what we basically did? Yes. Would I rather have JV than RJ Hampton and the Lakers 1st if it's outside of the top 10? Yes again.
If you going by hypotheticals, would you rather have Bane or Quickly and still have JV for just moving down from 10 to 17 along with our lakers first that may be a mid first this year the way it’s going? B/c that’s what we should have…..
That first might be useful at the trade deadline this year….
This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:30 pm to Townedrunkard
Hindsight bias is a LOT stronger when looking at actual draft pick selections than the picks on their own.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:46 pm to Townedrunkard
quote:You can't tell me off and then repeat exactly what I said.
Nah, I think you are off. Hampton maybe a negative player, he was 19 when traded but like I said showed enough his rookie year to be a net positive asset that most thought played a lot better relative to his draft position.
Posted on 1/15/22 at 8:57 pm to shel311
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You can't tell me off and then repeat exactly what I said.
So you are saying he’s an arse player but agree that he’s worth more than Adams with his current contract?
This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 1/15/22 at 9:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Hindsight bias is a LOT stronger when looking at actual draft pick selections than the picks on their own.
I agree with this statement, but Hampton is who went with our pick even though that’s who Denver wanted, and quickly went with the very next selection. Who knows who Griff would have taken. It’s well known he had Halliburton traded if he was available with our pick so I dont trust his evaluations.
Jones seems more like a blind squirrel finding a nut kinda deal lol
This post was edited on 1/15/22 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 1/16/22 at 12:09 am to shel311
lol, you are so desperate to try and own me it’s borderline pathetic.
I mean literally filling up half a page either quoting me, quoting others to talk about me, or quoting others to try and illicit a pile on. This is peak triggering….all over saying maybe the team shouldn’t grind BI and Jonas and refocus the priorities of this lost season to incorporate developing our guys and maintaining health because the side consequence of upping our chances at a top pick could go a long way for the future competitive health of this franchise…5 pages of triggered responses and ridiculous straw men later and we got peak triggered Sheldon.
And in all those attempts not a single good post…
I mean do you literally bounce around all day trying to argue the most retarded points and grind your axe with everyone on this site. The great irony is you are either so thick headed or so stupid that you don’t recognize that most of the accusations you make are really just projections of your own behavior.
I mean a quick survey and you are on three different sub forums tonight acting antagonistic toward posters. Including now picking a fight with another person in this thread after I left cause I had shite to do.
Like how fricking ridiculous can one person be? Saturday night, 7pm, and you are picking fights across three boards.
Common denominator, yeah, maybe, you would be the expert I guess…
I mean literally filling up half a page either quoting me, quoting others to talk about me, or quoting others to try and illicit a pile on. This is peak triggering….all over saying maybe the team shouldn’t grind BI and Jonas and refocus the priorities of this lost season to incorporate developing our guys and maintaining health because the side consequence of upping our chances at a top pick could go a long way for the future competitive health of this franchise…5 pages of triggered responses and ridiculous straw men later and we got peak triggered Sheldon.
And in all those attempts not a single good post…
I mean do you literally bounce around all day trying to argue the most retarded points and grind your axe with everyone on this site. The great irony is you are either so thick headed or so stupid that you don’t recognize that most of the accusations you make are really just projections of your own behavior.
I mean a quick survey and you are on three different sub forums tonight acting antagonistic toward posters. Including now picking a fight with another person in this thread after I left cause I had shite to do.
Like how fricking ridiculous can one person be? Saturday night, 7pm, and you are picking fights across three boards.
Common denominator, yeah, maybe, you would be the expert I guess…
This post was edited on 1/16/22 at 12:11 am
Posted on 1/16/22 at 12:36 am to GOP_Tiger
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I could say that you hate David Griffin so much that you clearly want the team to fail, because you want him fired. I could say that the reason you are pushing so hard for tanking is that you have already bought into the idea that failure is best for the team in the long run.
I mean most of that would be a straw man, not really evidence of motivated reasoning. But yeah, I’ve made it obvious from my initial response that set off all of you for pages aggressively going after me that I think it would be better for this team to adjust the dials of the season a bit in the direction of health maintenance of key players(I.E. reduce down BI and Jonas a bit from their career high minutes) and put more emphasis back on developing and giving minutes to our young guys, knowing that, in part, it would likely increase losses to some extent and raise our odds of getting a good lottery pick.
The retorts to that so far have been…lacking at best, but most of the time just deliberately exaggerating what I said or taking it entiriely out of context, or in Slow’s case, deliberately cherry picking my words to remove context selectively so he can argue in bad faith.
And for you to come in and tut tut me for getting fed up and punching back after several pages of personal insults and bad faith nonsense, yeah, that bullshite can frick right off.
Posted on 1/16/22 at 8:45 am to Townedrunkard
quote:I said exactly what I thought then you told me I was off then repeated almost word for word what I said.
So you are saying he’s an arse player but agree that he’s worth more than Adams with his current contract?
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