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re: How do we get BI to do this against good teams?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:07 am to CP3forMVP
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:07 am to CP3forMVP
Nobody’s mentioned that he’s leading the team in assists and is much better on defense.
Whenever there’s BI hate, I see factual posts that explain how BI is actually playing well, but don’t see any factual posts with any legit stats that back up any of the hate. Most of the BI hate is low effort memes and emotional posts without any facts or support to back up the claim.
Whenever there’s BI hate, I see factual posts that explain how BI is actually playing well, but don’t see any factual posts with any legit stats that back up any of the hate. Most of the BI hate is low effort memes and emotional posts without any facts or support to back up the claim.
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:07 am to CP3forMVP
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ainst the top 4 teams in each conference BI is averaging 21 pts, 4 rbs, 5 asts, and 3 turns on 48.9 shooting from the field and 29% from three. That's 14 games, and the Pels are 6-8 in those games (they also played OKC minus BI to start the season so they're 7-8 in total).
So were under .500 against the teams that matter when hes playing his "best" ball. What does that tell you?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:08 am to BigPerm30
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People are simply asking how can he do this against better competition when the stakes are higher
27, 6 and 6 in the playoff series against Phoenix. But continue to ignore that because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:10 am to saintslsupels
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Nobody’s mentioned that he’s leading the team in assists and is much better on defense.
Whenever there’s BI hate, I see factual posts that explain how BI is actually playing well, but don’t see any factual posts with any legit stats that back up any of the hate. Most of the BI hate is low effort memes and emotional posts without any facts or support to back up the claim.
A fact is that he only averages 4 3PAs per game on a team with Zion Williamson.
That's just not enough and clogs the lane.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:10 am to LSUgrad88
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27, 6 and 6 in the playoff series against Phoenix. But continue to ignore that because it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Pelicans lost that series against a team without D.Book.
8 years, 1 playoff 1st round exit.
Continue to ignore that because it doesnt fit your narrative.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:17 am to 50_Tiger
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Pelicans lost that series against a team without D.Book
I just posted about BI haters making emotional posts or posts that are just completely untrue. Thank you for backing up my claim.
What games did Booker miss in that series?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:20 am to TigerinATL
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How do we get BI to do this against good teams?
You start with what he did well last night. Move hard without the ball and be shot ready when you catch the ball. Breaking out of his comfort zone of taking two dribbles to get in rhythm would go a long way against really good defensive teams. Even if he's not making shots like he did last night, BI simply being fast with decisions to drive, shoot, or pass would make things much easier on himself and the rest of the team.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:21 am to saintslsupels
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Whenever there’s BI hate, I see factual posts that explain how BI is actually playing well, but don’t see any factual posts with any legit stats that back up any of the hate. Most of the BI hate is low effort memes and emotional posts without any facts or support to back up the claim.
This is not BI hate, at least not from me. I wasn't on board trading him for Scoot. I don't think BI's next contract will be nearly as cumbersome as others. He's a max player getting a max contract and I think he will still have value around the league if it doesn't work out.
But for it to work out, he needs to be able to have games like last night more often, which is why I asked the question, how do we get that to happen? Usually when this team plays well it's on nights where the stars "trust their teammates" and their teammates actually step up.
That BI 3 where he passed the ball and ran around a bit before getting it back for an open 3 are off ball actions I'd love to see him run more of. We also saw more Zion and BI 2 man action than we usually get, which this far into the season is still baffling to me. It seems like that should be one of our primary sets.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:24 am to BengalShark
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Imagine still complaining about a guy who just did that…
Imagine letting a handful of games influence your judgement of who a player is.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:39 am to saintslsupels
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What games did Booker miss in that series?
Bro were you stuck in a cave?
D Book played in game 1
D Book got injured (or in this case reaggravated a current injury) in game 2
D Book did NOT PLAY in games 3 4 and 5
D Book played limited minutes in game 6 where CP3 closed us out
So who is really speaking with facts here?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:15 am to saintslsupels
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I just posted about BI haters making emotional posts or posts that are just completely untrue. Thank you for backing up my claim.
What games did Booker miss in that series?
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:20 am to 50_Tiger
The Suns series was a gutsy performance for us without Zion, definitely something as fans we should be proud of....
But...
It is also badly misremembered by a lot here. From those who say BI was "amazing" the entire series. He had 3 good shooting games and 3 bad shooting games. Overall, he was good. He was not amazing or nearly as good as some remember. In the final 2 games he shot 15 of 38 from the field. Overall, good but not consistently good and certainly not amazing.
The Jose stuff is the same. People think he was this menace and change of pace who helped us in the series and he was in CP3's head. Jose was a pretty big liability in that series, and CP3 ate his lunch 95% of the time. Put it this way, in our 4 losses, we lost by a total of 35 points. In those 4 games, Jose was -33. Meaning, in his 20 or so minutes, we were outscored by a good bit, and in the remaining 25-30 minutes of those games, we basically played Phoenix evenly.
But...
It is also badly misremembered by a lot here. From those who say BI was "amazing" the entire series. He had 3 good shooting games and 3 bad shooting games. Overall, he was good. He was not amazing or nearly as good as some remember. In the final 2 games he shot 15 of 38 from the field. Overall, good but not consistently good and certainly not amazing.
The Jose stuff is the same. People think he was this menace and change of pace who helped us in the series and he was in CP3's head. Jose was a pretty big liability in that series, and CP3 ate his lunch 95% of the time. Put it this way, in our 4 losses, we lost by a total of 35 points. In those 4 games, Jose was -33. Meaning, in his 20 or so minutes, we were outscored by a good bit, and in the remaining 25-30 minutes of those games, we basically played Phoenix evenly.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:35 am to 50_Tiger
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Pelicans lost that series against a team without D.Book
Do you mean game 1 when we had 25, or game 2 where he had 31? Or game 6 where he played. You literally said Pelicans lost that series against a team without Booker, but Booker played and played well in that series.
How many games did Zion play in that series? Are you saying that the series was even when both teams were missing there best players? You're acting like Booker didn't play at all the entire series when he played in 3 games and played well.
Also, why are you ignoring what BI did in that series? Here's some facts for you - BI LEAD ALL PLAYERS IN POINTS, LED THE PELS IN POINTS AND ASSITS. He averaged 27 points, 6 rebounds, and 6 assists and had the best +/- among starters for us that series.
Don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings though
This is what I mean when I say the BI hate is too strong and too emotional. We lost that series because the team around BI wasn't good enough, CP3 went nuts, and anyone who actually watched the series knows that in game 6 we got screwed so bad by the refs. But keep on blaming BI without any facts if that helps you sleep at night.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:38 am to saintslsupels
quote:You didn't even realize he missed a single game, you may want to ease up here
Don't let the facts get in the way of your feelings though
quote:Wait, you're saying you DID watch the series and still didn't realize Booker missed over half the series? Oh my...
and anyone who actually watched the series
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 10:45 am
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:44 am to TigerinATL
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But for it to work out, he needs to be able to have games like last night more often
But that’s not the question you asked. You clearly implied he only has good games against crappy teams. The BI hater who talked about how the play.in Pelicans lost a tight 6 game series against the Number one seed Suns couldn’t dispute that Ingram played very well in that series. His only argument was that the clearly better team pulled out the series. And Booker played in several of the games. Out of interest, how many games did Zion play in that series?
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 10:45 am
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:45 am to shel311
Where did I say that Booker didn't miss any games? I was responding to a post where 50 tiger made it sound Booker missed the entire series. Where did I say that he didn't play at all? I didn't, I was asking how many games he played to make a point that not only did Booker play, he played well.
Also, this has nothing to do with you. I know you get a big kick out out of jumping into other's argurments, but why you go back to r/relationshipadvice and let the adults argue here please.
Also, this has nothing to do with you. I know you get a big kick out out of jumping into other's argurments, but why you go back to r/relationshipadvice and let the adults argue here please.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:47 am to shel311
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Wait, you're saying you DID watch the series and still didn't realize Booker missed over half the series? Oh my...
I bet he doesnt know either Book was on a heater in game 2 and got injured in the early third quarter
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:48 am to saintslsupels
Just to be clear, other than last night and any game against a non top four in the league game, other than the two great games against two of the best teams in the league just this past weekend, other than the many other good games this season, other than the five years of great play with the Pelicans, and other than a fantastic showing in the one playoff opportunity he had, BI hasn’t been good. Is this the ledge we are trying to walk? Good luck with those gymnastics.
Yes, BI needs to shoot more threes and get more foul calls. He knows it, his teammates know it and his coach has been screaming it. And if he did, he would probably be 35, 5 and 5 instead of 25, 5 and 5. But holy hell, the guy is 26 years old and GD fantastic. Trying to say anything otherwise just becomes embarrassing to a point.
Yes, BI needs to shoot more threes and get more foul calls. He knows it, his teammates know it and his coach has been screaming it. And if he did, he would probably be 35, 5 and 5 instead of 25, 5 and 5. But holy hell, the guy is 26 years old and GD fantastic. Trying to say anything otherwise just becomes embarrassing to a point.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:48 am to LSUgrad88
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The Suns series...is also badly misremembered by a lot here
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And Booker missed one game
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:49 am to saintslsupels
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Where did I say that Booker didn't miss any games? I was responding to a post where 50 tiger made it sound Booker missed the entire series.
Over 75% of the series with no D. Book is no D.Book.
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Also, this has nothing to do with you. I know you get a big kick out out of jumping into other's argurments, but why you go back to r/relationshipadvice and let the adults argue here please.
Ad hominem attacks when you get cooked
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