re: How bad is this 2021 draft?

I put more stock in guys like Johnson and Bouknight developing a shot vs guys like Barnes and Kuminga. 70% at the line is where I draw the line on how I see their potential in developing a shot.

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Marcus Smart developed into a competent shooter you dickwad.

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Yep 33%

My point is that not everyone develops a shot. That's it. You're acting as if everyone figures it out. I'm saying that he could do it, he hasn't shown it yet, therefore it's still up in the air. I didn't even say that it was unlikely just that it was a big "if". The literal definition of a "big if" is "something that is both important and uncertain". Geez, take a lap.

Simmons is one of the worst shooters in the league. You can not develop a shot a still be a better shooter than Simmons.

Are you really arguing that Smart is a good shooter? He's had one season where he shot league average

I'm perplexed that you think everyone should automatically assume someone will be a good shooter because they shot 70% from the line in college. Could he? Yes, I never denied that. But, acting as if it should be assumed is asinine.

ETA: are you his brother or just a Stan?

I think the issue is that you don't understand what the phrase "big if" means. It's the term that triggered you with my initial comment.

It just means "important and uncertain". That's it.

If you're going to argue against the "uncertain" part of that, then I don't know what to tell you.

I really like Duarte and like him better than Kispert as he's a better defender and is the better athlete. It's unfortunate that he's turning 24 when the draft rolls around.

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But then you look at the offensive game, and there's just nothing there for me. Sure he's got potential, but you can only rely on potential for so long. Somebody in this thread said "even Austin Rivers figured out how to shoot." Rivers shot 37% from three at Duke. Keon is a 27% guy. He's not a threat, and I know we all want to sit here and say that he will get better, but how often does someone that bad even become average?

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How fricking dare you

I think Moses Moody and Davion Mitchell are the two prospects that would make the most sense for us, in our projected range.

Moody has the higher upside for sure. Dude has an insane ceiling as a defender, with his 6'6 height and 7'0 wingspan. He is a menace on the wing and can effectively guard 1-4. His movement off-ball and his willingness to take big shots is exactly what we need offensively. Think of all how well JJ fit with Zion year one, before he became a shell of himself, their two man game really worked well. That was primarily because of the constant motion from JJ stretching the defense and Zion being able to capitalize or dish for the three. We need someone who brings that to the starting unit. I think Moody is the perfect 2-3 for us. He brings shooting and defense. Y'all want a true 3&D wing, this is the guy. He will turn 19 right before the draft, so they sky is the limit with Moody.

On the other hand, you have Davion Mitchell. Griff says he wants toughness, BBIQ and shooting. Meet Davion Mitchell, the definition of those three qualities in a national champion prospect, who comes into the league ready to contribute from day one (something Griff and co. will probably prefer at this point). He can catch and shoot or shoot of the dribble, something only BI offers right now in the starting five. Mitchell is tenacious at the point of attack defensively and would set the tone for the entire team defensively. We always talk about wanting an alpha dog type that gives 100% all the time, I think Mitchell is that guy. He is also a decent secondary creator, great leader and teammate and overall winner. He has a champions mindset. You could see it on display in the NCG. I try not to go overboard with evaluating prospects just from their March madness performances, but Mitchell's was so good, it's impossible to ignore.

I think if we stay in the 8-10 range, these are the two guys who fit us the best. I also like Garuba and wish we could get another mid first to grab him.

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Mitchell is basically Marcus Smart with a better jump shot.

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this would a good one to throw in a couple of 2nds to move up 2 spots and snag him.

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I think Moses Moody and Davion Mitchell are the two prospects that would make the most sense for us, in our projected range.

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Depending on where we pick (13-20ish) I'm all in for Moody. I think defense is our biggest need and this guy can defend the entire floor... and he takes pride in doing so. The fact that he can score as well is the cherry on top. He's a mature kid and I believe this team could use someone with his type of personality and business like mentality.