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re: Hornets Tax Exempt failed to clear the House...
Posted on 4/26/12 at 11:51 am to man in the stadium
Posted on 4/26/12 at 11:51 am to man in the stadium
It's a good email, but I'd have thrown a few "yokel" and "simpleton" references in there for good measure. Show these dumbass countryfolk what's what if you know what I mean.
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Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:00 pm to MinnesotaTiger
On a more positive note, I doubt anybody is truly worried about this. The dudes who are holding our are probably being pretty smart - they'll be able to coax some benefits or concessions for their districts I'd imagine.
Jindal has proven pretty adept at getting his pet bills passed.
Jindal has proven pretty adept at getting his pet bills passed.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 12:55 pm to OneSaintsFan
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No prob. I think it will pass. Just posturing from North La.
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No la sucks.
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And N. La wonders why we hate them.
Rep. Joe Harrison, R-Napoleonville, said that Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey recently told the New Jersey Nets that the state cannot afford a subsidy for the team.
"If Chris Christie can do that, then Mr. Benson can refinance or get another loan" to buy the Hornets, Harrison said.
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Here is how Houma-Thiobopdaux lawmakers voted on House Bill 1072. A “for” vote is in favor of the tax break:
For: None.
Against: Lenar Whitney, R-Houma; Joe Harrison, R-Napoleonville; Dee Richard, a Thibodaux independent.
Absent: Gordon Dove, R-Houma; Truck Gisclair, D-Larose.
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“We are robbing pension funds. We are bleeding our schools. We are closing clinics and hospitals. We are abandoning roads in our rural areas. We have trouble getting clean drinking water to our residents. But we keep paying for sports teams,” said state Rep. Sam Jones, D-Franklin.
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I couldn't find a list of the entire vote, but you get the picture.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 1:12 pm to Miles4Heisman
Unless Jindal makes this bill a priority, it will not pass. Solons will have a hard time defending tax breaks for an NBA team. Not sure if this kills the sale to Benson, but will be interesting to see if it still goes through.
Posted on 4/26/12 at 1:13 pm to Miles4Heisman
Sorry I was too lazy to figure out where the hell Napoleonville is 
Do they hate/resent New Orleans and what it stands for? Check.
Are they latently racist? Check.
Are they homophobic? Check.
Are they yokels? Check.
MY POINT STANDS!!!
Do they hate/resent New Orleans and what it stands for? Check.
Are they latently racist? Check.
Are they homophobic? Check.
Are they yokels? Check.
MY POINT STANDS!!!
Posted on 4/26/12 at 1:14 pm to plawmac
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Unless Jindal makes this bill a priority, it will not pass. Solons will have a hard time defending tax breaks for an NBA team. Not sure if this kills the sale to Benson, but will be interesting to see if it still goes through.
I don't think it's that bleak. These Thibodeaux reps are probably holding out for a $500k grant for new sugarcane pickers or whatever the frick they do out there.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 9:14 am to MinnesotaTiger
Posted on 4/27/12 at 9:56 am to MinnesotaTiger
why should the state continue to subsidize in this way?
the article suggests we're the only state that does this. Anyone want to refute that claim?
Why does Benson need another 3-4 million dollars a year? Should we just be expected to pay just for the sake of paying?
the article suggests we're the only state that does this. Anyone want to refute that claim?
Why does Benson need another 3-4 million dollars a year? Should we just be expected to pay just for the sake of paying?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 9:57 am to Jester
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Tax Break Expected to Resurface
i'm not up to date on Robert's Rule of Order, but wouldnt they need a 2/3 vote for reconsideration?
how are they supposed to get that when they couldnt get a simple majority?
Posted on 4/27/12 at 10:04 am to TortiousTiger
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i'm not up to date on Robert's Rule of Order, but wouldnt they need a 2/3 vote for reconsideration?
how are they supposed to get that when they couldnt get a simple majority?
Our legislature is notorious for rather far-reaching amendments to pre-filed bills. They will just morph some totally unrelated bill into version 2 of this one.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 10:14 am to Jester
They were only 4 votes short and there were 9 members absent or not voting. This will pass, even without the governor twisting arms (though I have no doubt he'll twist a few arms if necessary)
Posted on 4/27/12 at 10:17 am to TortiousTiger
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why should the state continue to subsidize in this way?
Because tourism is a big part of the economy and pro sports gets the area a lot of exposure that they couldn't buy. Also, with Benson being the new owner the synergies created between the Dome/Champions Square/Arena, New Orleans will become an even more attractive venue for high profile championship games.
If tourism was not a big part of the economy I think the "no subsidies for profitable businesses" crowd would have a valid point, but you just can't argue with the benefit they provide. Obviously there's a point where it's an unprofitable arrangement, but the agreements have recently shifted from all straight cash subsidy to more of a fee for service arrangement which has led to Benson reinvesting in the area. It really is a win win.
This post was edited on 4/27/12 at 10:18 am
Posted on 4/27/12 at 10:18 am to TigerinATL
is tourism going to go away if the state doesn't pay another 3-4 million a year?
to which the state is already paying millions of dollars towards
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Also, with Benson being the new owner the synergies created between the Dome/Champions Square/Arena NO will become an even more attractive venue for high profile championship games.
to which the state is already paying millions of dollars towards
Posted on 4/27/12 at 10:24 am to TortiousTiger
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is tourism going to go away if the state doesn't pay another 3-4 million a year?
Tourism creates local revenue and jobs.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 10:27 am to macatak911
I'm not going to argue this one way or the other. I love the Hornets, but I totally understand the stance being taken. We have a huge budget shortfall to deal with. I'm talking basic services, not sports franchises. I think it will get done, but I have said all along that the lease deal would be more contentious than was publicly stated.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 10:27 am to TortiousTiger
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is tourism going to go away if the state doesn't pay another 3-4 million a year?
A better question would be what would the effects on tourism be 10 - 20 years after the Saints and Hornets left with no replacement. And I fully admit that the Saints are much more important to exposure than the Hornets, so it can be argued just how much benefit the Hornets provide in addition to the Saints, but I think it's pretty undeniable that the exposure from pro sports is worth some amount to the state. Being against these subsidies would the same as being against the state tourism department having a marketing budget.
It would be nice if we could come up with a concrete figure to determine if we are overpaying, but it is foolish to tell these in demand businesses to frick off just because subsidizing a profitable business with tax payer money seems wrong in principle so we shouldn't give them one red cent.
This post was edited on 4/27/12 at 10:28 am
Posted on 4/27/12 at 10:28 am to macatak911
you didnt answer my question.
is paying this 3-4 million dollars going to get more tourists?
we do we get for this 3-4 million dollars?
(spoiler alert: nothing)
is paying this 3-4 million dollars going to get more tourists?
we do we get for this 3-4 million dollars?
(spoiler alert: nothing)
Posted on 4/27/12 at 10:30 am to TigerinATL
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A better question would be what would the effects on tourism be 10 - 20 years after the Saints and Hornets left with no replacement.
since that threat is no longer present, why does it continue to be hung over our heads?
furthermore, would another 3-4 million dollars directly into the owners pocket be a motivator to block that from happening even if it was a threat? I doubt it.
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it is foolish to tell these in demand businesses to frick off just because subsidizing a profitable business with tax payer money seems wrong in principle so we shouldn't give them one red cen
I agree.
I just don't see what we get for this particular subsidy. The tables are turned, and the state doesnt have to give out any more carrots for the time being.
This post was edited on 4/27/12 at 10:32 am
Posted on 4/27/12 at 10:31 am to TigerinATL
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Being against these subsidies would the same as being against the state tourism department having a marketing budget.
That is an extremely unfair, and arguably biased, way of looking at it.
Posted on 4/27/12 at 10:31 am to TortiousTiger
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since that threat is no longer present, why does it continue to be hung over our heads?
The lease is not complete, so the threat is very much still alive.
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