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re: Honest Zion talk for Emotional Intelligent Folks
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:05 am to TigerinATL
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:05 am to TigerinATL
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Are you basing this on what happened during the Bubble?
he came in overweight and was overweight when he came back from the knee injury. the bubble stuff was just an extreme example of what he can do in 2 weeks, weight-wise. he also wasn't fit to start THIS season (when these discussions were happening).
5% is a very conservative chance that he blows up, weight-wise. i don't see how any reasonable person could disagree with that (why i picked such a small number). this was not some crazy discussion outside of the end portion of this thread.
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Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:15 am to SlowFlowPro
I looked into a crystal ball and saw a vision of Zion next season:
Or maybe it was just some bad sushi?
Or maybe it was just some bad sushi?
This post was edited on 4/3/21 at 9:17 am
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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5% is a very conservative chance that he blows up, weight-wise.
Is it? How many NBA players has this happened to during their careers? Miller and Kemp are the only ones coming to mind. Certainly Zion seems more at risk of this than a stick man like Ingram, but 5% still seems pretty high considering how rare it is that a pro athlete making millions of dollars that can afford personal trainers and chefs eats his way out of a career.
This post was edited on 4/3/21 at 9:20 am
Posted on 4/3/21 at 9:31 am to TigerinATL
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Miller and Kemp are the only ones coming to mind.
there are a lot who don't come to mind b/c their careers are so short. those guys stayed b/c of their incredible talent (like what Zion has)
tractor traylor, eddie curry, derrick coleman, antoine walker, stanley roberts, sean may, diaw, al jefferson, big baby davis, john williams, big country reeves, etc.
those are just the big men. lots of point guards get fat for some reason like raymond felton, baron davis, etc.
this list isn't including scrubs or later draft picks like jerome james, mike sweetney, khalid el-amin, dexter pittman, scalabrine, etc.
*ETA: there are also guys who would vacillate between bein fat as frick and just bigger like shaq and zach randolph
This post was edited on 4/3/21 at 9:33 am
Posted on 4/3/21 at 10:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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incredible talent (like what Zion has)
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tractor traylor, eddie curry, derrick coleman, antoine walker, stanley roberts, sean may, diaw, al jefferson, big baby davis, john williams, big country reeves, etc.
Incredible talents? Like Zion?
Hahahhahaahahhahahahahahahw wtf you obviously dont watch the NBA and never have if you think this.
Literally none of those players fit Zion’s athletic profile.
This is too hilarious.
Yeah, I dont think too many scouting reports on Zion thought he was the next Big Baby Davis.
Zion comps are folk like Charles Barkley and co. you know athletic and explosive players, not fat/under the rim bigs.
This post was edited on 4/3/21 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 4/3/21 at 10:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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*ETA: there are also guys who would vacillate between bein fat as frick and just bigger like shaq and zach randolph
Since when? 1980?
Right. Because the NBA is a fat man’s league. Riggggghhhhttt.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 2:36 am to SlowFlowPro
So, you didn't call him Anthony bennett but you did say worst case scenario is oliver miller.
That's pretty bad.
That's pretty bad.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 2:40 am to WicKed WayZ
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Isnt his weight listed the same now as it was at Duke?
Might be listed but be was skinnier at duke
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:03 am to P bean
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Literally none of those players fit Zion’s athletic profile.
well nobody was comparing them to Zion, so good point?
oh, and, why do you refuse to answer a simple yes or no question? you come in here and show you need to go to the Zoolander school, but i'm sure you can read this sentence just fine and refuse to answer
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yes or no: is there at least a 5% chance Zion's weight grows to 340 lbs while he's in the NBA?
This post was edited on 4/4/21 at 7:05 am
Posted on 4/4/21 at 7:03 am to P bean
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yes or no: is there at least a 5% chance Zion's weight grows to 340 lbs while he's in the NBA?
Posted on 4/4/21 at 1:09 pm to Bronc
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I’m all in hoping my crow serving about trading back from Hunter, who’s a beast, comes strong and hard for me because it means Hayes and NAW end up the real deal and sooner than I anticipated was likely.
ill be at the trough for my crow too if hayes learns basketball while a Pelican.
at 8 i wanted brandon clarke. just a solid contributor.
i dont have a problem with naw picked so far down.
imho hes going to make it.
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:27 pm to Chalkywhite84
By what? 10 pounds?
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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is there at least a 5% chance Zion's weight grows to 340 lbs while he's in the NBA?
Lol 340? No way. Maybe after he retires. He’d get injured all the time at that weight. If he worked at it and wants to be the best, he’ll probably try to shed 5-15. If he’s a lazy POS then he will probably balloon to 3 bills by his 5-6th season.
But I don’t think he’s lazy. I think he will stay in shape and once he gets close to MVP and gets a playoff series or two in, the hunger (no pun intended) to succeed will keep the weight off him
Posted on 4/4/21 at 11:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yes or no: is there at least a 5% chance Zion's weight grows to 340 lbs while he's in the NBA?
No. That's 60 pounds You're talking about current Barkley/Shaq level fat. That seems like a lot to gain even in an offseason.
NBA players are in a relatively controlled environment during the season and will play themselves into shape. Look at Jokic last year. Started the season as the butt of fat jokes, end the season in the thick of the MVP conversation.
I would expect a bad offseason to require playing away 20-30 pounds, probably similar to what Jokic had to do last season.
If his weight does impact his career it will be due to injury from being 285 instead of 260, not because he became 340 and couldn't play more than 6 minutes at a time.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:04 am to TigerinATL
just fwiw, i didn't mean 60 lbs in a single offseason. usually these things progress over a couple years
except with shaq. he was the one guy who seemed to always put on like 40+ lbs every offseason and ultimately work it off during the season
except with shaq. he was the one guy who seemed to always put on like 40+ lbs every offseason and ultimately work it off during the season
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:06 am to WicKed WayZ
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He’d get injured all the time at that weight.
that's kind of what i was getting at with the original comment months ago
Posted on 4/5/21 at 7:59 am to TigerinATL
I will also say that the chance of 340 is less than 5%. There's simply too much pressure on Zion for that to happen. Nike, Gatorade, and all his sponsors have too much invested in him -- in fact, the league has too much invested in him. If Zion got to 320, Adam Silver would be calling him to ask how he could help with whatever problem was causing the weight gain.
There's just too much on the line, both for Zion himself and for so many others.
There's just too much on the line, both for Zion himself and for so many others.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:50 am to GOP_Tiger
i think y'all are overrated what 5% means (b/c it's extremely remote), but at least that's the discussion being had
...as opposed to some other people who were too scared or emotional to reply
...as opposed to some other people who were too scared or emotional to reply
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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i think y'all are overrated what 5% means (b/c it's extremely remote)
I just think the structure, both on and off the court, and the level of stake holder interest is too much for that to happen. It's not a zero percent chance, but the timelines where that happens are the ones where he has some personal tragedy he can't recover from.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 10:45 am to TigerinATL
Agreed. There would have to be a lot of factors. Personal tragedy, a really bad on the court injury. If he stays relatively healthy, I don’t think it will ever happen. I do think later in his career, maybe year 5 or 6 he will make a concentrated effort to shed weight and get to 265 or something like that
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