re: Has reality set in that we did virtually nothing this offseason?

this franchise has accepted mediocrity it is what it is

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What realistic moves did we whiff on that for sure makes us not mediocre?

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I mean if we really wanted dame we could have gotten him and kept BI and Z. I know injuries are a concern for making a trade like that but the only way you get out of mediocrity is taking chances. There’s always the risk of BI and Z getting hurt as long as they’re here

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We just had no one in the rotation that needed to be replaced.

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c'mon man

only 1 team in the league can say this, and that's Denver

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What moves could we have made that would change that we needed to get healthy this year?

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Remember that i also said i think the plan all along was for us to make our big move at the trade deadline, not this offseason, and i'm fine with that.

Still doesn't change the fact that we lost Richardson, Temple, Hayes and Billy, still have a worthless Kira, and replaced them with a 1st round pick, a 2nd round pick from last year, and Cody Zeller, none of which will help this team this year. And i understand that none of that really matters at all in how this team will do this season b/c no one i just mentioned matters to this team, with the exception of the 1st round pick.
And again, i'm ok with this for now, b/c i expect a move in Jan/Feb.

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Adding Cody Zeller is an upgrade from Hayes and a wash from losing Billy. You are being naive.

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stop. just stop. Cody Zeller is equivalent to Garrett Temple. He's a coach. He's not playing on this team, and if he does, it's b/c too many guys are hurt.

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What the frick do you want man? Not trying to be a dick but realistically tell me what moves you make for us to be “better” than having our current team playing 82 games?

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again, i said that my expectation is to make a move at the trade deadline, not make any big moves this offseason.
I'm not saying we should have done anything different this offseason. We couldn't do anything this offseason b/c our GM is a dumbass that used a 1st round pick and 4 2nd round picks to sign a free agent 2 years ago and then dump him, while also letting go of a young RFA and getting back two worthless salaries.
If we had some 2nd round picks, or if Kira had any value, then we actually could have done something this offseason, but we don't have those picks, and Kira is negative value.

And again, that doesn't change the fact that we didn't do anything this offseason. I"m not saying we had to, just that we didn't do anything.

The fact we’re arguing about Cody Zeller making an impact- kind of shows you the offseason we’ve had lol

No one is arguing that. We know his “impact”. More than Hayes and the same as Billy.

Y’all are just being dramatic

You literally are discussing how Zeller can be beneficial to this team in reference to another poster saying we did nothing this offseason. Im not being dramatic- thats what your discussing. Frankly, I would have agreed with the poster that we did nothing of substantial value this offseason that will significantly help this team.

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It's fine if Cody Zeller plays 10-12 minutes a night in certain matchups.

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no it isn't. We aren't the G-League Trailblazers are the shitty Hornets. There's no reason for him to get minutes with a legit team. The only reason he got minutes in Miami is b/c they literally had no one that could play the 4 or 5 after Bam, so they were forced to use Zeller, Love and then insert a 6'5" Struss at the 4.

You know what would have been better than Cody Zeller playing 10-12 minutes a night?
Oscar Tshiebwe playing 10-12 minutes a night in whatever crazy scenario you think Cody Zeller might be playing in.

You know why?
b/c there is literally no value whatsoever in Cody Zeller on this team, and he sucks. I will say that he is someone who i know will work hard when he does play, so i give him credit for that, but he's just not a good basketball player.
Tshiebwe was undrafted. He might suck too. But you know what. Maybe he doesn't suck, and maybe he actually has some value to us in the future. That value actually coming to fruition may be a low probability, but the probability of Zeller providing value is 0%.


what's more concerning about this team other than the lack of shooting, is the fact that Cody Zeller is our 4th big after Zion/JV/Nance, and a 2nd round pick that hasn't played an NBA minute is our 5th big.

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b/c there is literally no value whatsoever in Cody Zeller on this team, and he sucks. I

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I think his only value is to assist others in learning Borrego's offense. He is a solid screen setter and Borrego thinks highly of him.. However, I would have preferred someone who had some other use than helping the coaches.

You ignore the fact history shows this team cant be healthy. So yes a solution would be to trade one of them. There comes a time when the risk outweighs the reward. Its highly unlikely that both these guys stay healthy during the season. I think whats frustrating is some fans act like or ignore both of their injury history. They both have not shown to stay healthy together for a prolonged period of time. Yet people on this board defend this front office by stating you cant do anything if they’re not healthy. You absolutely can its just not what people want to hear.

I honestly dont care about the Zeller move. The fact it was brought into a discussion of not doing anything this offseason was kind of silly. This is literally a guy who was out of the league last year and we’re discussing his minimal role on the team. Thats like the Suns fans when talking about offseason moves want to discuss how many minutes will Keon Johnson play? Like come on.