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Griffin’s Best Move
Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:42 am
Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:42 am
Drafting Herb Jones and picking up Jose Alvarado.
Flipping AD for Brandon Ingram, Hart, Ball, and future picks.
After Jaxson Hayes’ performance last night, he may have a very high ceiling.
Flipping AD for Brandon Ingram, Hart, Ball, and future picks.
After Jaxson Hayes’ performance last night, he may have a very high ceiling.
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Posted on 2/5/22 at 7:51 am to kellyboy23
I want to believe... Hard to really tell as I believe the team and picks where all pieced together to fit around Zion. And well we really canny judge that yet, although it looks promising
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:03 am to joechristoppher77
I know he made some major mistakes like SVG for coach, trading for Adams and Bledsoe, but I liked that he was able to see that it would not work and made a move to recovery.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:31 am to kellyboy23
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Flipping AD for Brandon Ingram, Hart, Ball, and future picks.
That's what the Griff haters always ignore. Yeah, he f'd up the Lonzo situation. Yeah, trading #4 down for Jaxson, Nickeil, and Didi hasn't looked good (although Jaxson made it look better last night than it has in a long time), but we got Brandon Freaking Ingram in that trade and signed him to a 5-year max extension.
I view AD for BI as almost an even trade by itself. BI is still just 24 and improving as a player. That's before you add in Hart, Jaxson, NAW, and the future picks and swaps that we still have.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 8:49 am to kellyboy23
Why do people consider Alvarado a franchise piece? We sign guys like him every year and they get passed up after a season. Kenrich and Naji were two of the most recent ones.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 9:01 am to bugafor6
Those 2 got overrated by bringing adequate competence to a glaring roster hole like Jose. But I think what makes Jose different is he's using his combination of high motor and IQ to turn games. I'm not sure if leadership is the answer to your question, but he has something that Kenrich and Naji don't that make him more than just a competent player plugging a roster hole.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 9:06 am to TigerinATL
But like those guys, he will eventually get passed up and fade off to irrelevancy. Next year when Kira comes back, and if any sort of PG acquisition is made then he will be relegated to bench duty because he just does not have the talent of a lot of these other guys. He stepped into a role out of desperation and has been serviceable. It’s not a sign of a great career ahead.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:17 am to GOP_Tiger
I wish the trade would have just been hart/ingram/#4
griffin is terrible at managing assets
we’d have been better off with fewer options and less chance for him to frick things up
griffin is terrible at managing assets
we’d have been better off with fewer options and less chance for him to frick things up
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:18 am to bugafor6
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Next year when Kira comes back
I'd say If not When. I still haven't seen an announcement of surgery anywhere for him. They always announce when players have surgery. I'm honestly a little concerned for him.
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he just does not have the talent of a lot of these other guys.
Which is why he plays so hard, and that makes a difference, especially going against backups. Per 36 minutes he's averaging 3.4 steals per game. That's insane, the next closest Pel is Herb at 1.8. If you take out the people that have only played a handful of games the next closest in Per 36 steals is Gary Payton II at 2.9
Normally I'd say it's unsustainable, but since he's going against back ups it's not like he's swiping balls from CP3, he's taking it from guys that almost by definition aren't starting caliber ball handlers.
It's a similar story with Assist to Turnover ratio. Jose's is 7.83. The next closest for players that have played at least 20 games is Tyus Jones with a 5.51 LINK
Kenrich and Naji were filling holes, but I can't think of any particular thing they were so good at that they'd stand out like Jose is doing. And Jose can hang his hat on standing out at 1 thing on each side of the ball. Jose's Win Shares per 48 is .120. .100 is league average. Last year Naji's was .061 and 2 years ago Kenrich's was .050.
Jose isn't just filling a roster hole, he's actually impacting winning at an above average level.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 10:24 am
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:24 am to TigerinATL
Kenrich was, and is still, a quality nba player.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 10:26 am to TigerinATL
it’s early but you’re right Jose is very good at one particular thing which impacts winning and you cannot say that about Lewis at all. He has a role on a good team
bottom line is that from NAW, hayes, Lewis, didi, and Murphy (at the moment) we have zero reliable rotation players which is frankly hard to fathom. Maybe hayes and Murphy will come around but Lewis/NAW/didi are busts
bottom line is that from NAW, hayes, Lewis, didi, and Murphy (at the moment) we have zero reliable rotation players which is frankly hard to fathom. Maybe hayes and Murphy will come around but Lewis/NAW/didi are busts
Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:32 am to cgrand
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bottom line is that from NAW, hayes, Lewis, didi, and Murphy (at the moment) we have zero reliable rotation players which is frankly hard to fathom. Maybe hayes and Murphy will come around but Lewis/NAW/didi are busts
I know it is a small sample size, but Hayes is more than a rotation player, he is a starter as a forward. He has always showed promise and he has not played very much organized basketball in his life so growing pains are expected as he learns the game against the best on the planet. Lewis hasn't played very much against NBA talent and NAW isn't bad if/when he plays smart... disciplined NAW can be valuable. I just think it is early to call NAW and Lewis busts. Didi certainly is a bust.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:34 am to armsdealer
quote:I'm gaining confidence but need to see it for more than a 7-10 game sample size.
I know it is a small sample size, but Hayes is more than a rotation player, he is a starter as a forward
Posted on 2/5/22 at 11:36 am to shel311
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I'm gaining confidence but need to see it for more than a 7-10 game sample size.
Yeah, 15-20 games like the last 3-4 will get him on the scouting report. Hopefully it goes well enough that we get to see how he adjusts to more attention. Another reason he shouldn't be part of a trade next week.
This post was edited on 2/5/22 at 11:37 am
Posted on 2/5/22 at 12:26 pm to SouthMSReb
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Kenrich was, and is still, a quality nba player
He was a good story, hustle guy for us early on to fill a spot we needed. Then, he became one of the most absolutely horrid players in the league, and now he’s shooting decently, so he can stick around a little bit. There’s only 4-5 teams he should touch the court on
Posted on 2/5/22 at 12:26 pm to cgrand
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Lewis/NAW/didi are busts
Giving up on young players is dumb. Almost all rookies suck. Kira is really young and still has tremendous potential. Even when you look at NAW, you have to consider that he grew an inch after getting to the NBA, and he's still growing into his body. When Nickeil adds muscle, his drives to the basket will be deadly. It's just way too soon to call him a bust. Didi was always a project, and we didn't invest much in him, so I don't worry about that---he certainly never showed as much on the court as Jose.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 1:47 pm to armsdealer
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I just think it is early to call NAW and Lewis busts. Didi certainly is a bust.
do you think it is more or less likely that if either of those two ever become NBA rotation players it will be with another team?
Posted on 2/5/22 at 2:33 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I view AD for BI as almost an even trade by itself. BI is still just 24 and improving as a player. That's before you add in Hart, Jaxson, NAW, and the future picks and swaps that we still have.
Excellent point.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:09 pm to cgrand
A lot of rotation players are not with the teams that originally drafted them. A lot of draft picks outside the top 10 wash out of the league pretty quickly.
The Pels will have some guys move on and find success, they'll also pick up castaways from other teams who find success in NO. League is designed for tons of player movement
I get why everyone is mad at Griffin. But every team has draft whiffs on a regular basis. At some point this board needs to accept this fact and get over it.
The Pels will have some guys move on and find success, they'll also pick up castaways from other teams who find success in NO. League is designed for tons of player movement
I get why everyone is mad at Griffin. But every team has draft whiffs on a regular basis. At some point this board needs to accept this fact and get over it.
Posted on 2/5/22 at 3:20 pm to cgrand
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I wish the trade would have just been hart/ingram/#4 griffin is terrible at managing assets we’d have been better off with fewer options and less chance for him to frick things up
Why? Didn’t he pass up a first for Lonzo from the suns? Also easily could have gotten Lauri M from the Bulls for him at the deadline. Instead we got absolutely nothing….
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