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re: Griffin to try to keep AD
Posted on 4/19/19 at 12:00 pm to teke184
Posted on 4/19/19 at 12:00 pm to teke184
There could be a variety of reasons, but they probably knew that Magic was a complete idiot and the supposed power in the org, so they wanted to deal with him.
And it has been talked about here several times that Dell despises Pelinka.
And it has been talked about here several times that Dell despises Pelinka.
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Posted on 4/19/19 at 12:02 pm to Fun Bunch
The word around the league is that no one wants to deal with pelinka which makes the Lakers retaining him even mite baffling.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 12:04 pm to Crewz
I’m not denying your sources but I kinda don’t want AD back. I don’t think he can dominate a game like Harden, LeBron, Curry, Durant, and Greek Freak. Don’t get me wrong he’s young guy with boat loads of talent. However, he just seems like a guy that can put up big numbers and not lead his team deep in the playoffs (like Paul George, Bradley Beal, and KAT). To me, he’s the best sidekick in the league.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 12:13 pm to JohnnyKilroy
It plays into Jeannie Buss’ insecurities and belief in Laker exceptionalism.
Pelinka was personally recommended by Kobe, whom he had been an agent for. That kind of an in substituted for either experience or competence in her mind because the Lakers can do no wrong. It’s the same kind of logic that got a governor elected in Alabama because he used to be Bear Bryant’s personal physician.
She refuses to back down from that, IMHO, because she doesn’t like admitting mistakes and doesn’t want to be seen as bringing in LeBron’s choice as GM.
I swear I have never done such a 180 on my opinions on an owner so fast as watching the Laker shite show the past two years after having seen her take over for her brother Jim and being perceived as the more savvy of Jerry’s kids.
Some of it can be put down to bad hiring choices but there are a lot of other things, like the Steve Ballmer stuff, which tell me that the bitch is insane.
Pelinka was personally recommended by Kobe, whom he had been an agent for. That kind of an in substituted for either experience or competence in her mind because the Lakers can do no wrong. It’s the same kind of logic that got a governor elected in Alabama because he used to be Bear Bryant’s personal physician.
She refuses to back down from that, IMHO, because she doesn’t like admitting mistakes and doesn’t want to be seen as bringing in LeBron’s choice as GM.
I swear I have never done such a 180 on my opinions on an owner so fast as watching the Laker shite show the past two years after having seen her take over for her brother Jim and being perceived as the more savvy of Jerry’s kids.
Some of it can be put down to bad hiring choices but there are a lot of other things, like the Steve Ballmer stuff, which tell me that the bitch is insane.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 12:43 pm to Crewz
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You have an asset that could fetch 80 cents on the dollar with X contract and 120 cents on the dollar with Y contract
Now, you can choose to keep him or build with him, but objectively you would always choose to increase an assets value over selling it at a price less than it is worth.
Perhaps I'm not understanding what you mean. If you mean -- all things being equal -- it is objectively better to sign Davis long-term which would subsequently increase his trade value if he still wants out a year or two from now? Yeah, that's objectively true. However, notwithstanding the chances of Davis agreeing to a long-term extension are slim to none, I would still rather take Zion Williamson plus other assets.
Are you going to get optimal value for Davis with a year left on his contract versus Davis with four plus years left on his contract? Maybe not. But you also have to throw in other factors, a key one being: there might not be the same number of teams with the same kind of assets bidding for Davis services at that time. Similarly, you don't how good the prospects at the top of the draft will necessarily be in 2020 or 2021. Does Davis suffer a freak injury in the interim? There are a significant amount of unknowns that undercut the ability to view the 80/120 cents on the dollar argument in a vacuum.
Long story short: We have seen what Davis is capable of over the last several years. He's an amazing talent but I don't think he's the type of player who will take a team and carry it on his back with the right help. Maybe he's still 'young' but he's proven to be sufficiently naive to let guys like Rich Paul walk all over him and make him look foolish.
I would prefer a clean break if this team were in position to get the #1 pick. That's just one man's opinion.
This post was edited on 4/19/19 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 4/19/19 at 1:33 pm to Unknown_Poster
Zion would not be 80 cents on the dollar. I am talking about the more likely Boston package or a Clippers package, etc. Those are trades you wouldn't even consider if he was locked up and people weren't in their feelings
Posted on 4/19/19 at 1:57 pm to Unknown_Poster
Anthony Davis is elite. He is an plus asset to any organization. Subjectively, many of us dislike the AD that we have had to live with for the past few months. His numbers don't lie, the accolades and records broken are real. AD is a stud.
Now as to the business end of it, surely you attempt to sign him long term; arguably the best, second best, third best, fourth best player in the entire league. If you do sign him long term, his stock rises substantially. His play is there.
In Griffin we have to trust. His vision of what the Pelicans are to be is not with blinders. He sees Jrue, AD and whomever fits his mind's eye as what he wants to build up to. His vision without AD is clear to him as well.
Griffin will sign AD if possible and move in that direction with a plus asset. AD at that point will then have a picture and direction and expectations. Not just old way of doing business: i.e. you will play 5 if Gentry sees fit, etc.
Now as to the business end of it, surely you attempt to sign him long term; arguably the best, second best, third best, fourth best player in the entire league. If you do sign him long term, his stock rises substantially. His play is there.
In Griffin we have to trust. His vision of what the Pelicans are to be is not with blinders. He sees Jrue, AD and whomever fits his mind's eye as what he wants to build up to. His vision without AD is clear to him as well.
Griffin will sign AD if possible and move in that direction with a plus asset. AD at that point will then have a picture and direction and expectations. Not just old way of doing business: i.e. you will play 5 if Gentry sees fit, etc.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 2:52 pm to kpop1
AD agrees to sign the supermax, you do it. That's a no brainer. If he would actually recruit and get a third star here
Posted on 4/19/19 at 3:13 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
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If he would actually recruit and get a third star here
That was part of what I was getting at with Davis' attitude. He seems more likely to sit there asking 'where's my help?' than outwardly going out to attract another star. Sure, it's difficult to sell New Orleans over New York or Los Angeles but at least make an attempt versus demanding you be traded elsewhere.
I think everyone is in agreement that, the only way you consider not trading Davis is if he signs the max extension. Otherwise you cut your losses -- even at 80 cents on the dollar -- because he'll be worth less next deadline.
Posted on 4/19/19 at 10:12 pm to TigerinATL
If he signs the super max, then I believe he cant be traded for a year after the extension is in effect.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 11:57 am to PelicanFever
SONS,
I HAVE SEVERAL GODDAMN MOTHERfrickING RESERVATIONS ABOUT AD POSSIBLY STAYING AND RESIGNING. IT WOULD BE A VERY frickING HUMBLE THING FOR HIM TO ADMIT HE WAS WRONG AND RE-UP. AND YOU KNOW ALL HE HAS TO frickING DO IS POST A VIDEO WITH HIS BABY SAYING HE WANTS TO RAISE HIS FAMILY HERE OR SOME DUMB shite LIKE THAT AND I'D BE BACK TO BEING OK WITH HIM STAYING HERE.
THE MOST CURIOUS GODDAMN frickING THING IN ALL OF THIS IS THAT AD HASN'T SAID ANYTHING PUBLICLY SINCE DAVID GRIFFIN'S PRESSER, WHICH TELLS ME HE'S AT LEAST frickING OPEN TO SEEING WHAT GRIFFIN HAS PLANNED, OR AT LEAST IS WAITING TO SEE WHAT WE DO IN THE OFFSEASON WITH THE DRAFT. frickING HELL.
THIS IS SOME SOAP OPERA bullshite.
WILL HE OR WON'T HE? GODDAMMIT AD GODDAMMIT.
I HAVE SEVERAL GODDAMN MOTHERfrickING RESERVATIONS ABOUT AD POSSIBLY STAYING AND RESIGNING. IT WOULD BE A VERY frickING HUMBLE THING FOR HIM TO ADMIT HE WAS WRONG AND RE-UP. AND YOU KNOW ALL HE HAS TO frickING DO IS POST A VIDEO WITH HIS BABY SAYING HE WANTS TO RAISE HIS FAMILY HERE OR SOME DUMB shite LIKE THAT AND I'D BE BACK TO BEING OK WITH HIM STAYING HERE.
THE MOST CURIOUS GODDAMN frickING THING IN ALL OF THIS IS THAT AD HASN'T SAID ANYTHING PUBLICLY SINCE DAVID GRIFFIN'S PRESSER, WHICH TELLS ME HE'S AT LEAST frickING OPEN TO SEEING WHAT GRIFFIN HAS PLANNED, OR AT LEAST IS WAITING TO SEE WHAT WE DO IN THE OFFSEASON WITH THE DRAFT. frickING HELL.
THIS IS SOME SOAP OPERA bullshite.
WILL HE OR WON'T HE? GODDAMMIT AD GODDAMMIT.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 12:13 pm to whatiknowsofar
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