re: Griffin options on Jonas

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He's literally the second best center in this upcoming free agency. Keep telling yourself that he's not going to get the at least a top 15-18 salary at his position.

Just because he doesn't fit here doesn't mean he won't fit well elsewhere. His game has extended beyond the arc and there will be plenty of teams vying for his services.

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If he played defense amd/or he was younger maybe. I would be shocked if he gets more than he is currently making as you are saying. #18 center salary is in the MLE range. I just do not know what team with space will pay him. All it takes is one though.

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He's literally the second best center in this upcoming free agency.

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Irrelevant, unless a playoff team is so desperate for JV as their starting center that they are willing to do a S&T for him to pay him more than the MLE.

Playoff teams will be limited to the MLE. What playoff team will throw their entire MLE at JV when most playoff teams have only been using the tax payer MLE to avoid hard capping themselves? I believe the CBA changes might give a little more breathing room there, but then you're still back to which team blows their whole MLE on JV?

What non playoff team is going to want JV so bad that they throw $15+ million at him? Even if they do, JV is at the point in his career where most players start choosing a chance at winning over the highest contract.

If the Pels are interested in keeping him, they will be the ones to offer the best mix of money and winning. The only way he leaves is if the Pels find another center and don't want him, or JV is insulted by the Pels offer enough to take less money from another team like how Al Horford left Atlanta for less money in Boston.

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You're letting your bias cloud your value of the guy.

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No I'm not, look at what I wrote, I didn't say a thing about JV. I'm looking at this strictly from a perspective of how the player market typically operates. I am unsure how the new CBA impacts this, but most playoff teams even remotely close to the tax have been actively avoiding using the full MLE for the last several years.

You are saying JV is the 2nd best center on the market therefore there will be a lot of demand for him. I'm saying the handcuffs in place limit that market kind of like RFA restrictions do for 2nd contract players. If we were talking about the 2nd best scoring wing on the market, yes, the demand would be there because teams would be willing to do a S&T to make that happen. For a center that has limitations that would be magnified in the playoffs, I just can't see a team doing a S&T for that on top of paying a high price to get him.

Again, you're saying there's no market for a double double machine who is one of the best rebounders in the league on both the offensive and defensive glass. That has extended range beyond the arc and has the skillset to play in the post, the pick and pop, and now a threat behind the arc. Not only that but he has been very reliable and healthy with no significant injuries or missed games.

His defense is limited but you're acting like he doesn't play defense at all. Team can and will mask some of his weaknesses and will allow him to what heibest at.

The idea that he is just some scrub is laughable. He should be slotted somewhere between Nurkic and Poeltl and because of age and limitations on the defensive end, his value at around 15 mil is exactly where he'll be slotted and will be paid come July.

I like JV on the offensive end but the idea that he’s our C who can bang with the Jokic, Embiid, Giannis of the world is just false. We just saw what Jokic did to us last game, what was it? A 35 point triple double? We need an actual rim protector on this team so very badly

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The only projected capspace teams that may want JV are OKC, the Spurs, and maybe the nets.

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This is a good point.

I think generally, looking at the top 18 center salaries, Jval is worth over an MLE.

But I saw a tweet today that said as of right now only around 5 or so teams are projected to have cap space, so this offseason could be a weird one where he won't get as much due to those circumstances.

I really like JV but I think Willie and Griffin instead of blaming BI/Zion for their defense, rebounding and chemistry issues- will blame JV and try to trade him for a more athletic center. I honestly think thats a mistake, but I also feel Griffin will never abandon BI.

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He's a liability in pick n roll, and at the rim. Imagine how good our defense would be if we had a non-terrible defender at center

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Our defense was good enough just last season with Val.

I wish we could go get someone like Claxton or Jarrett Allen. Griffin had the vision drafting jaxson hayes.. sadly he was just a football player who grew too tall, never really a basketball player