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re: Graham should not start. He's horrible on offense and a negative on defense.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 7:43 am to Macintosh504
Posted on 2/16/22 at 7:43 am to Macintosh504
I sat courtside on Saturday against the Spurs and was keyed in on Graham. I am not sure if I could have gone out there and intentionally played worse defense then him. The Spurs were raining threes and he continually forgot to follow his guy out to the line. I wouldn't even qualify him as a speed bump on a driving player, as he slowed exactly no one down. If his shot is not falling, he is unplayable.
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:22 am to VA LSU fan
I have a feeling if or when Zion comes back Graham will be on the bench, CJ will run point with BI,JV,Herb rounding out the starting 5.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:33 am to tigereye81
We need Zion to come back just to save Willie from himself.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:48 am to TigerinATL
I think there will be a change after the ASB.
There's some level of politics with benching players involved, and I think they can take the time during the Break to look at the roster, make adjustments, and get practice time in with the new starting lineup and rotation.
You have to sell it to DG that it isn't a demotion but just a role adjustment.
I was REALLY hoping that Zion would be back during the break where he could get some practice in, but I just doesn't seem likely.
There's some level of politics with benching players involved, and I think they can take the time during the Break to look at the roster, make adjustments, and get practice time in with the new starting lineup and rotation.
You have to sell it to DG that it isn't a demotion but just a role adjustment.
I was REALLY hoping that Zion would be back during the break where he could get some practice in, but I just doesn't seem likely.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 10:36 am to VA LSU fan
Defensively CJ and Dame were considered a liability. Graham is a lesser player on both sides ends.
You absolutely take DeVonte out of the lineup.
You absolutely take DeVonte out of the lineup.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:04 am to ThanosIsADemocrat
There are a lot of really smart basketball posters on here. So it shocks me how many people are falling into this line up or minutes trap. The same tired point keep getting hammered home over and over. But they completely gloss over the fact that the coach has no reasonable options. He has to play Graham, otherwise we are only playing 7-8 guys and the other starters are bumping 40mpg. Is that what he should do?
I'm happy for the McCollum trade. But it left us seriously short handed. We need more depth (and to get healthier). Playing Hayes 35mpg+ right now isn't the answer. We have to hope that we can find the right role for Graham and that he comes out of this funk.
I don't care if Graham starts or not. But he is going to play major minutes or we are F'd. Without him, we have no chance at a serious run, especially with an inevitable time break by one of our big 3. We need him to be a contributor. Praying, hoping and wishing for him to be sent away is shortsighted..
I'm happy for the McCollum trade. But it left us seriously short handed. We need more depth (and to get healthier). Playing Hayes 35mpg+ right now isn't the answer. We have to hope that we can find the right role for Graham and that he comes out of this funk.
I don't care if Graham starts or not. But he is going to play major minutes or we are F'd. Without him, we have no chance at a serious run, especially with an inevitable time break by one of our big 3. We need him to be a contributor. Praying, hoping and wishing for him to be sent away is shortsighted..
Posted on 2/16/22 at 11:46 am to brmark70816
I dont know if you are watching the games or not, but Graham is already down to 22 minutes.
The argument most, including myself, is not that Graham should be banished entiriely, its that he needs to be moved to the bench.
There are a lot of ways to organize that, you can start Jax, start Naji, start Snell even. Graham has historically had more success off the bench anyways and allowing him to play against mostly back ups and not feel as much pressure may be what is needed to get him out his funk.
Either way, long term Te is not part of the starting lineup and it seems silly to prolong the inevitable when its harming our team.
The argument most, including myself, is not that Graham should be banished entiriely, its that he needs to be moved to the bench.
There are a lot of ways to organize that, you can start Jax, start Naji, start Snell even. Graham has historically had more success off the bench anyways and allowing him to play against mostly back ups and not feel as much pressure may be what is needed to get him out his funk.
Either way, long term Te is not part of the starting lineup and it seems silly to prolong the inevitable when its harming our team.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 12:27 pm to Bronc
I have watched the guy get bashed for the past few weeks over and over (replacing NAW as the whipping boy). He has played horribly. But it is a huge adjustment. He has been a PG his whole life (not a great one, but that is what he knows). Now the ball is in Ingrams and McCollums hands, Graham doesn't know what to do or how to play. He has never done this before and it's not just as easy as find a spot, then shoot. I've watched countless PGs unable to transition to off the ball (Bledsoe last year was the same thing). I don't know if he can do it. But we really need him to, at least with some modicum of success.
It is a tough spot. I love José and believe he is a better fit as the backup PG. The hole is at SG. The are trying to shoehorn Graham there in an undersized backcourt with McCollum as the lead guard. It's not going to work, like everyone has said. But we have no one decent to replace him and that is still a huge hole in the lineup.
I don't see how they fix it with the current players. I don't think it's Graham fault though. He is showing up and trying. It's just not something he can do..
It is a tough spot. I love José and believe he is a better fit as the backup PG. The hole is at SG. The are trying to shoehorn Graham there in an undersized backcourt with McCollum as the lead guard. It's not going to work, like everyone has said. But we have no one decent to replace him and that is still a huge hole in the lineup.
I don't see how they fix it with the current players. I don't think it's Graham fault though. He is showing up and trying. It's just not something he can do..
Posted on 2/16/22 at 12:46 pm to brmark70816
99% of Graham's minutes have come at PG, and he has even more unassisted 3PM this year vs last with the Hornets. This is who he is, the only people who are surprised are the ones who didnt watch him in CHA
Posted on 2/16/22 at 12:52 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:Not the efficiency piece, this is not who he has been at all. He's considerably worse/less efficient this year than the past 2, he's just missing a ton of wide open shots this past month.
This is who he is, the only people who are surprised are the ones who didnt watch him in CHA
Posted on 2/16/22 at 1:14 pm to brmark70816
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He has played horribly. But it is a huge adjustment. He has been a PG his whole life (not a great one, but that is what he knows). Now the ball is in Ingrams and McCollums hands, Graham doesn't know what to do or how to play. He has never done this before and it's not just as easy as find a spot, then shoot.
I mean most of his shots are wide open and he's missing them---this is the NBA--plays are designed to get guys open shots and professional players are expected to hit wide-open shots. If he was doing that, which isn't an unreasonable ask, no one would be complaining.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 1:21 pm to brmark70816
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The same tired point keep getting hammered home over and over. But they completely gloss over the fact that the coach has no reasonable options. He has to play Graham, otherwise we are only playing 7-8 guys and the other starters are bumping 40mpg. Is that what he should do? I'm happy for the McCollum trade. But it left us seriously short handed. We need more depth (and to get healthier). Playing Hayes 35mpg+ right now isn't the answer. We have to hope that we can find the right role for Graham and that he comes out of this funk. I don't care if Graham starts or not. But he is going to play major minutes or we are F'd. Without him, we have no chance at a serious run, especially with an inevitable time break by one of our big 3. We need him to be a contributor. Praying, hoping and wishing for him to be sent away is shortsighted..
I’d say most are aware we are short handed now.. And starting does matter or “first unit minutes” matter. Guarding the top guys on the team. Yes he’s going to play, but ideally against matchups that he’s not going to be picked on for his run.
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 2/16/22 at 1:25 pm to shel311
He never has been an efficient scorer, so for him to be less efficient certainly doesn’t surprise me. We need an inefficient, shoot first, volume shooting PG like we need a hole in the head
Posted on 2/16/22 at 1:26 pm to brmark70816
it's very easy. Replace Graham with Jax
Posted on 2/16/22 at 3:43 pm to PolishFan
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it's very easy. Replace Graham with Jax
Thank you. This is what I keep seeing. So now do the math for me. Show me how that works. How do the minutes get divided?
Posted on 2/17/22 at 4:05 am to Macintosh504
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Graham was a desperate attempt at getting a pg when they should have went all in on Caruso
Said this before free agency and it wasn't liked around here.
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:01 am to brmark70816
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Thank you. This is what I keep seeing. So now do the math for me. Show me how that works. How do the minutes get divided?
I don’t know why you keep framing this like some Gordian knot? Start Jax, or Naji, or Jose if we want, sub Graham in half way through the first for Jax/JV/CJ etc. based on need on the court, let him play through the beginning of the second, swap him back out.
Teams have moved guys to the bench before, and frankly, if Zion is coming back this season, putting Jax in the lineup much more closely mirrors how the team will have to play upon his return and can give us a head start reincorporating him
Posted on 2/17/22 at 6:01 am to Chalkywhite84
I would love to have Caruso on this team
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