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Getting better quick: acquiring Vets to compete for playoffs now.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 4:56 pm
Alright. Let’s see we are NOT tanking or taking a step back. We are holding onto Jrue and JJ.
Our goal is to build a team with vets and young players that can be a playoff contender this next season, without giving up major long term assets (unless we are acquiring a star).
This FA class is lackluster at the very top but has some relatively solid players and some interesting reclamation project.
In terms of trades, this will be a sellers market as given the weak FA and draft market, competitive teams will be looking to acquire veteran talent and have to give up more.
So...who are you interested in? Do you keep Lonzo? 13? What FAs are you interested in for the MLE? Any trades?
Let’s hear how we get into the 7/8 seed conversation.
Our goal is to build a team with vets and young players that can be a playoff contender this next season, without giving up major long term assets (unless we are acquiring a star).
This FA class is lackluster at the very top but has some relatively solid players and some interesting reclamation project.
In terms of trades, this will be a sellers market as given the weak FA and draft market, competitive teams will be looking to acquire veteran talent and have to give up more.
So...who are you interested in? Do you keep Lonzo? 13? What FAs are you interested in for the MLE? Any trades?
Let’s hear how we get into the 7/8 seed conversation.
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Posted on 8/21/20 at 5:03 pm to Fun Bunch
I love JJ but it would be a smart long term move to trade him to Brooklyn.
He is from Brooklyn and his family lives there, our front office is obviously very close with those players and their organization, the Nets are chasing a title.
It really makes sense and if the Nets are trying to trade Dinwiddie, Lavert, or Allen then at the very least those are good assets to use for a bigger trade in the future.
He is from Brooklyn and his family lives there, our front office is obviously very close with those players and their organization, the Nets are chasing a title.
It really makes sense and if the Nets are trying to trade Dinwiddie, Lavert, or Allen then at the very least those are good assets to use for a bigger trade in the future.
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 5:14 pm to Fun Bunch
First shot I take is signing Van Vleet. It would have to be in a sign and trade, but if Toronto is willing to let him walk, they would definitely take back assets for him.
Option 1) Sign and Trade for FVV 4 year 90 mil. Send out Ball, Melli and Miller in trades along with using our cap space to make money work.
If Toronto decides they want to hold on to FVV, then they really have no choice but to let Lowry go. It will be hard to work a deal for him without sending out JJ, so I have to do it.
Tor: Miller, George Hill
Mil: Redick
Pels: Lowry, #8 from NYK, 23 Dallas 1st
Knicks: Ball
Toronto saves the money needed to re-sign FVV, Ibaka and Gasol while getting Hill to take some of Lowrys minutes.
Pels get that dog to put them into contention, and we all know Lowry will get into players faces and call them out, which is what we desperately need.
#8 I take Okoro of course
#13 I take Vassel to replace JJ
Someone will sign Favors (GS maybe?), I would try to make it a S&T to at least net a sizeable trade exemption
Option 1) Sign and Trade for FVV 4 year 90 mil. Send out Ball, Melli and Miller in trades along with using our cap space to make money work.
If Toronto decides they want to hold on to FVV, then they really have no choice but to let Lowry go. It will be hard to work a deal for him without sending out JJ, so I have to do it.
Tor: Miller, George Hill
Mil: Redick
Pels: Lowry, #8 from NYK, 23 Dallas 1st
Knicks: Ball
Toronto saves the money needed to re-sign FVV, Ibaka and Gasol while getting Hill to take some of Lowrys minutes.
Pels get that dog to put them into contention, and we all know Lowry will get into players faces and call them out, which is what we desperately need.
#8 I take Okoro of course
#13 I take Vassel to replace JJ
Someone will sign Favors (GS maybe?), I would try to make it a S&T to at least net a sizeable trade exemption
This post was edited on 8/21/20 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 8/21/20 at 5:22 pm to Soggymoss
JJ is great but people need to stop acting like he is not expendable. He is our 2nd most valued trade asset who is also 36 y/o and on the last year of his contract. No disrespect to him but it would be stupid to not trade him for a piece that can help us in the future.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 5:24 pm to Fun Bunch
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Alright. Let’s see we are NOT tanking or taking a step back. We are holding onto Jrue and JJ
Come on....you guys roasted me for wanting to trade our first this year(and JUST this year) in a package with Lonzo or Jrue to fix our Center and Wing needs until the rookie contracts had to be paid. We have four rookies from this past year that haven’t had time to develop, and a ton of draft capital going forward.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 5:33 pm to TechTiger
I would rather use the first.
If we hit a homerun with the pick, it could serve us better than using it in a trade, unless we are getting back a bona-fide superstar.
If we hit a homerun with the pick, it could serve us better than using it in a trade, unless we are getting back a bona-fide superstar.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 5:42 pm to Fun Bunch
If we are trying to get into the playoffs this year, this is what I would do.
Jrue / Lonzo / Ingram / Zion / Baynes
NAW / Redick / Hart / Bertans / Melli / Tristan or Plumlee / Kira
Sign Aron Baynes for spacing.
Sign Tristan Thompson or Mason Plumlee to a 1 year overpay to give Jax a year to develop. Either gives you grit and extra possessions on the boards and pure hustle.
Sign Davis Bertans for more shooting.
Hayes G-League most of the season.
Don't know what I would do with Didi in this scenario. Hate to keep Cheatham in the G League for another season. If you can't sign Bertans or a backup 3/4, then you choose between KWill or Cheatham as a body there for some hustle minutes.
Gone: Favors, Jackson, Okafor, KWill :,( , Miller
BTW, I'm loving that you are creating a thread for every scenario under the sun. I'll be awaiting the full binder you put together for each case.
Jrue / Lonzo / Ingram / Zion / Baynes
NAW / Redick / Hart / Bertans / Melli / Tristan or Plumlee / Kira
Sign Aron Baynes for spacing.
Sign Tristan Thompson or Mason Plumlee to a 1 year overpay to give Jax a year to develop. Either gives you grit and extra possessions on the boards and pure hustle.
Sign Davis Bertans for more shooting.
Hayes G-League most of the season.
Don't know what I would do with Didi in this scenario. Hate to keep Cheatham in the G League for another season. If you can't sign Bertans or a backup 3/4, then you choose between KWill or Cheatham as a body there for some hustle minutes.
Gone: Favors, Jackson, Okafor, KWill :,( , Miller
BTW, I'm loving that you are creating a thread for every scenario under the sun. I'll be awaiting the full binder you put together for each case.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 5:44 pm to Dantheman504
quote:
JJ is great but people need to stop acting like he is not expendable He is our 2nd most valued trade asset who is also 36 y/o and on the last year of his contract.
You are correct about all of this, but I think it’s a bad look if we trade him unless he requests to be traded. We still aren’t much of a FA destination and it was a big get to convince him to sign last year. My only worry is that it hurts our perception around the league with agents and players if we trade JJ after one year, and hinders us in the future with FAs.
But if we can do it amicably and find a deal that makes all parties happy, we almost have to at this point.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 5:46 pm to Soggymoss
IF we hit a home run with the pick... I don't think the 13th pick or Lonzo is going to land us a super star. I do think that lonzo, etc and 1 or 2 picks can land us a better asset to trade for a superstar. That is the goal here gain better assets until you have the ones you want. Stacking mid level 1st rd picks to hope for a superstar when you already have so many young guys is not the move.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 5:49 pm to Baron
That is why I brought up the scenario above. Our front office pretty much drafted the young guys in Brooklyn and I think JJ would be OK returning their to compete for a championship at home with his family. Both teams can also help each other out as far as assets and salary cap.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 6:28 pm to kadillak
Impossible to achieve all this without cap space or making trades
Posted on 8/21/20 at 6:29 pm to Dantheman504
The pick and Lonzo also will not net you anything/anyone pretty much any better than Lonzo is
Posted on 8/21/20 at 6:37 pm to Soggymoss
No but it can certainly get us a piece that another team values in a larger trade.
I think JJ, Lonzo, and miller's contracts are most valuable to aquire other assets either for our future or for a future trade. I think we can get 1 good asset for us and 1 good asset for another team with those 3 players and a few picks.
Then we can package Jrue and that other asset + picks for our superstar as necessary.
I think JJ, Lonzo, and miller's contracts are most valuable to aquire other assets either for our future or for a future trade. I think we can get 1 good asset for us and 1 good asset for another team with those 3 players and a few picks.
Then we can package Jrue and that other asset + picks for our superstar as necessary.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 6:39 pm to Soggymoss
Admittedly I'm not well versed in Cap rules at all. I was operating under the assumption that we would have a lot of free money with Favors, Moore, and Miller not returning in my scenario. And we would have the MLE. But I'm certainly not debating it.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 6:44 pm to Dantheman504
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JJ is great but people need to stop acting like he is not expendable.
He's the only vocal leader on the team. Getting the right coach can make that not matter as much, but for now he is very much needed.
Posted on 8/21/20 at 6:50 pm to TigerinATL
I agree and I hope Zion/ BI try and take on that role this year. I am not questioning his importance to this team. My problem is that if he will only be here for one more season trading him for a role player or asset that will have an impact for 3-4 years is of more importance.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 5:56 pm to Fun Bunch
How would people feel about trying to acquire CP3?
Last two years of his deal are atrocious but he’s exactly what this team needs for 2 years. Would need to be a multi-team deal and send out a ton of salary but OKC IF they decide to give up and rebuild they may attach small assets to dump him.
Last two years of his deal are atrocious but he’s exactly what this team needs for 2 years. Would need to be a multi-team deal and send out a ton of salary but OKC IF they decide to give up and rebuild they may attach small assets to dump him.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 6:08 pm to Fun Bunch
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How would people feel about trying to acquire CP3?
CP3 checks all of the boxes for why you keep Jrue around, veteran leadership with the skills to help you win now, in fact he's better than Jrue in that area and can probably teach BI/Zion how to win. The question is the price.
A lot of people think OKC wants him for the same mentor/win now reasons, but OKC needs to tank. I don't think those Clippers or Heat picks will be that good and the Thunder's best long term player is SGA. He's a good player, but he's not a Super Star.
Posted on 8/22/20 at 7:58 pm to Soggymoss
I'm in on van fleet
High iq player, who is smart and can hit the 3
I'd also trade jj, especially if you can get one of those players listed above
High iq player, who is smart and can hit the 3
I'd also trade jj, especially if you can get one of those players listed above
Posted on 8/22/20 at 9:50 pm to Fun Bunch
I would love to have CP3 back with our team.
With all the franchise players we traded, the only ones I would welcome back is CP3... and maybe Tyson Chandler.
CP3 is exactly the type of player our team needs in the locker room, also he can still provide quality play on the court.
With all the franchise players we traded, the only ones I would welcome back is CP3... and maybe Tyson Chandler.
CP3 is exactly the type of player our team needs in the locker room, also he can still provide quality play on the court.
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