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re: Frank Vogel said Hibbert is the 2nd best rim defender in the league...

Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:07 pm to
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

PER MATRIX:

A Year For the Ages: 35.0
Runaway MVP Candidate: 30.0
Strong MVP Candidate: 27.5
Weak MVP Candidate: 25.0
Bona fide All-Star: 22.5
Borderline All-Star: 20.0
Solid 2nd option: 18.0
3rd Banana: 16.5
Pretty good player: 15.0
In the rotation: 13.0
Scrounging for minutes: 11.0
Definitely renting: 9.0
The Next Stop: DLeague 5.0


Yes obviously he's been "good"

For reference A few career PER numbers:

Jordan = 27.91
Lebron = 27.79
Shaq = 26.43


CAREER numbers
quote:

Howard's PER = 27.6

Based on 5 games matched up against Robin Lopez
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12723 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:12 pm to
When this thread started how did I know it would make it to 4 pages with Boom slobbing all over Howard? Quit feeding the troll people. Don't allow him his one last hoorah before the Rockets lose game 6 and he's off our damn board for 6 months.
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6110 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:14 pm to
I think we can argue Dwight and Hibbert all day BUT is a Hibbert trade a possibility?

I mean I hate to be such a homer/pie in the sky/unrealistic fan but damn I mean the Pacers may want him out

Screw it leggo EG + PJ + Ajinca whatever for Hibbert
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59695 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:14 pm to
Hey CAP, go back and read where I said he has been a top 5 player in THESE PLAYOFFS.

It's your fellow Pels fans who tried to discount his performance and I used some other numbers just as a reference to help them understand how good he's been.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
10458 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:15 pm to
The only thing Howard has proved this season is that he is no longer a franchise type of player. He's still a very good player but he's not the dominant force he once was.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59695 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

Quit feeding the troll people


You don't know what a troll is. Why don't you request admin and see if I can get banned for trolling this thread if that's what I'm doing. Just because I have a differing opinion doesnt mean I'm trolling.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

Hey CAP, go back and read where I said he has been a top 5 player in THESE PLAYOFFS.

Ok, fantastic. What does that have do with the career and season PER numbers that you posted for comparison?

I'll give you that Howard is carrying the Rockets so far, but he is matched up against a pretty bad defensive big man.



Out of curiosity, what is your "top 5 player in the league" Harden's PER so far this post-season?
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6110 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:18 pm to
Dwight good player but there really aren't a bunch of dominant centers in the NBA so I mean you can say he's one of the best in a shallow talent pool

He's also been going against Robin Lopez who don't get me wrong I'd love to have in Nola but he's an average center and defender at best
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59695 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

Out of curiosity, what is your "top 5 player in the league" Harden's PER so far this post-season?


Wrong thread, stay on topic. Why is that so hard to do?
Posted by oncealurker
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2013
5063 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

Dwight good player but there really aren't


Hol-e shite
Posted by oncealurker
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2013
5063 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:21 pm to
My thread...how you've grown! :)
Posted by ShamelessPel
Metairie
Member since Apr 2013
12723 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

You don't know what a troll is. Why don't you request admin and see if I can get banned for trolling this thread if that's what I'm doing. Just because I have a differing opinion doesnt mean I'm trolling


Every thread that involves big men on this board turns into Howard vs. AD. You are a troll cause no one agrees with you yet you keep pounding the same drum and riling people up.

Have a great summer Boom. See ya next season. Hope the door hits you in your arse on the way out.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59695 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:22 pm to
quote:

Ok, fantastic. What does that have do with the career and season PER numbers that you posted for comparison?


For comparison purposes for the guy who said that dwight had been simply "good" and not dominant. You are better than this bro.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116145 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:23 pm to
quote:

hat's regular season, a championship has NEVER been won in the regular season.



So, PER lies in the regular season, but doesn't lie in a first round playoff series.

5 games is a better sample size than 82. Got it.
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6110 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:25 pm to
quote:

Dwight good player but there really aren't

quote:

Hol-e shite




fair enough he'll be a HOFer so....above average?
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59695 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:26 pm to
quote:

You are a troll cause no one agrees with you yet you keep pounding the same drum and riling people up.


Maybe you should stop being such a homer and be more open minded to, ya know, reality?

quote:

Every thread that involves big men on this board turns into Howard vs. AD.


This thread was never about Howard v AD.

quote:

Have a great summer Boom. See ya next season. Hope the door hits you in your arse on the way out.


I've got a feeling I'll be watching my team play for at least a few more weeks. Either way, I'll be here to break down the action with you guys. And I still post in the offseasons so don't count on seeing me til next season whatever that means.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:26 pm to
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For comparison purposes for the guy who said that dwight had been simply "good" and not dominant. You are better than this bro.

Taking statistics from 5 games against the same team over a span of a week is comparable to hundreds of games against every team in the league over a span of years??

Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:28 pm to
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Wrong thread, stay on topic. Why is that so hard to do?

I looked it up for you. Its 15.21 with a TS% of 47.1%.

Top-5 player in the league
Posted by DeionDeion
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2010
6110 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

I've got a feeling I'll be watching my team play for at least a few more weeks. Either way, I'll be here to break down the action with you guys


Ehh could you do that on Rockets Talk instead?
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
116145 posts
Posted on 5/1/14 at 4:28 pm to
Also, AD's PER this year was better than ANY year in Howard's entire career.

So, be consistent. PER doesn't lie.
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