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re: Disastrous night for the tank
Posted on 4/20/12 at 10:23 am to Jumbeauxlaya
Posted on 4/20/12 at 10:23 am to Jumbeauxlaya
I totally understand what you are saying. I just disagree with it 100%. First off, I can't cheer for my team to lose; I want them to do the best they can. Losing on purpose is one of the worst things you can do in sports. With that being said, our win last night doesn't automatically drop us from 3 to 5. What if CLE or SAC win again and we lose out? Too many variables to get upset over 1 win here. Furthermore, you are not cheering for us to lose to get a better pick (which would have more weight). You are cheering for us to lose to have a CHANCE at a better pick. Again, so many variables. Lastly, not a single team in the lottery have a majority chance at winning. shite, the best odds in the draft currently has CHA at a 75% chance of NOT getting 1st pick. If you flip it to look at it that way, you realize how insignificant 4% will be. Sure I would rather a 85% chance of not getting #1 than a 90% chance...but overall, we are at a disadvantage no matter what.
Like I said, I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with it.
Like I said, I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with it.
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Posted on 4/20/12 at 10:23 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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My point is purely this... a 5% greater chance of getting the best pick in the draft has a higher ROI than winning 1 extra game in an 70 game season.
Exactly. The math is what it is, and cant' be argued. What we really should be debating is whether or not we should tank a game or two for those extra percentage points (and I think we are getting on track with that).
Posted on 4/20/12 at 10:24 am to dcrews
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Either way, this team is going to get two top notch players added to their already hard working roster. Even without the 1st pick (or the 2nd or 3rd), this team is going become exponentially better next year.
Posted on 4/20/12 at 10:33 am to dcrews
I guess we'll just call it I'm spock and most of you are kirk? 
Posted on 4/20/12 at 10:37 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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I'm not very good at explaining these concepts to simpletons.. but then again that's why I'm not a teacher.
See, these comments are unnecessary. As I said, I think people understand the numbers and how they work. But those numbers do not comprise the entire basis of their "fandom", if you will, when it comes to any given game being played on the court.
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My point is purely this... a 5% greater chance of getting the best pick in the draft has a higher ROI than winning 1 extra game in an 70 game season.
If we're basing being a fan on ROI, we should all seek treatment.
ETA: And, btw, Spock, reasonable, logical and mature people may actually choose to pull for their team to win with full knowledge of the consequences. Their values may simply be different. There are NO GUARANTEES when it comes to the lottery.
This post was edited on 4/20/12 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/20/12 at 10:43 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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I guess we'll just call it I'm spock and most of you are kirk
Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:09 am to VOR
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To me the bigger problem with losing isn't going from 15% to 11%, it's possibly dropping from 6 at worst to 8 at worst.
Well we were so busy dealing with the relatively simple 1st overall pick concept that I didn't even bother to address this second (equally important) facet of the equation. We're going to be more likely to wind up with the 6th and 12th picks in the draft than the 1st and 8th at this rate.
GO HORNETS DURRR!!!
This post was edited on 4/20/12 at 11:17 am
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:12 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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My point is purely this... a 5% greater chance of getting the best pick in the draft has a higher ROI than winning 1 extra game in an 70 game season.
This is the money point. If everybody could sign and acknowledge that they grasp this I'd STFU. The problem is quailman vehemently disagrees and says "that 5% probably won't matter" and I lose my temper.
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:16 am to TigerTatorTots
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If you flip it to look at it that way, you realize how insignificant 4% will be
This is the comment that drives me up the wall. How do you know that 4% will be insignificant? It could be from that 4% of extra ping pong balls that the 1st pick in the draft is culled. There's a... wait... wait for it..... FOUR PERCENT CHANCE of it happening.
NOT insignificant. Certainly more significant than winning meaningless games down the stretch.
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:19 am to MinnesotaTiger
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:19 am to TigerTatorTots
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I totally understand what you are saying. I just disagree with it 100%. First off, I can't cheer for my team to lose; I want them to do the best they can. Losing on purpose is one of the worst things you can do in sports. With that being said, our win last night doesn't automatically drop us from 3 to 5. What if CLE or SAC win again and we lose out? Too many variables to get upset over 1 win here. Furthermore, you are not cheering for us to lose to get a better pick (which would have more weight). You are cheering for us to lose to have a CHANCE at a better pick. Again, so many variables. Lastly, not a single team in the lottery have a majority chance at winning. shite, the best odds in the draft currently has CHA at a 75% chance of NOT getting 1st pick. If you flip it to look at it that way, you realize how insignificant 4% will be. Sure I would rather a 85% chance of not getting #1 than a 90% chance...but overall, we are at a disadvantage no matter what.
Like I said, I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with it.
No, you are cheering for a better pick. The record not only determines your chance at a top 3 pick, but determines the "floor" or the lowest pick you can get. As we pass up teams, we fall further and further down the draft as far as the "floor" of the lowest we can get. Also, I fail to see the nobleness of not being able to cheer for a team to lose. This team has lost all year. I cheer for them to lose in order to better the team for the future. Winning now does nothing for the team longterm or its ability to get better.
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:23 am to TigerTatorTots
quote::notsureifserious: 4% is a good bit and can make a world of difference
If you flip it to look at it that way, you realize how insignificant 4% will be
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:23 am to MinnesotaTiger
Lol, you are quite hilarious... all this bitching is nothing really.. The eason is almost over, three games left which we will (hopefully) lose out for the pick. What happened happened we can't dwell on that shite.
This post was edited on 4/20/12 at 11:25 am
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:25 am to NOSHAU
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I fail to see the nobleness of not being able to cheer for a team to lose. This team has lost all year.
so on the first game of the season, you cheered for the Hornets to lose?
i don't think there's any nobleness to it. there is, however, common sense. you don't root for a team to lose when there is no guarantee that it will make that team better (among many other reasons)
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:27 am to quail man
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no guarantee
This is the key that I don't think the tankers grasp. That is the whole point of the lottery, so you don't have to be the worst team to get the best player
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:27 am to quail man
quote:i cheered for our team i think for the first 5 or 6 games before i realized how terrible we were going to be if gordon remained injured thats when i grabbed the wheel and started driving
so on the first game of the season, you cheered for the Hornets to lose?
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:28 am to TigerTatorTots
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I totally understand what you are saying. I just disagree with it 100%. First off, I can't cheer for my team to lose; I want them to do the best they can. Losing on purpose is one of the worst things you can do in sports. With that being said, our win last night doesn't automatically drop us from 3 to 5. What if CLE or SAC win again and we lose out? Too many variables to get upset over 1 win here. Furthermore, you are not cheering for us to lose to get a better pick (which would have more weight). You are cheering for us to lose to have a CHANCE at a better pick. Again, so many variables. Lastly, not a single team in the lottery have a majority chance at winning. shite, the best odds in the draft currently has CHA at a 75% chance of NOT getting 1st pick. If you flip it to look at it that way, you realize how insignificant 4% will be. Sure I would rather a 85% chance of not getting #1 than a 90% chance...but overall, we are at a disadvantage no matter what.
Like I said, I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with it.
The ONLY thing winning right now does is hurt the future of the franchise.
Having better odds is having better odds. Winning at this juncture is just straight dumb. It does us no good and in fact, could do significant harm to the future of the franchise.
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:32 am to RonFNSwanson
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That is the whole point of the lottery, so you don't have to be the worst team to get the best player
not only that, but there is no guarantee that Davis, TRob, or anyone else pans out.
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:32 am to quail man
quote:This.
however, common sense. you don't root for a team to lose when there is no guarantee that it will make that team better (among many other reasons)
People are acting as if a worse record is guaranteeing them something, when it isnt
Posted on 4/20/12 at 11:33 am to TigerTatorTots
quote:false it guarantees the 4th pick or better
People are acting as if a worse record is guaranteeing them something, when it isnt
eta: i read your post as worst record but you get the point
This post was edited on 4/20/12 at 11:34 am
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