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re: Devonte Graham to Pelicans for first round 2022 lottery-protected pick 4yrs/47 million
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:42 am to NOSHAU
Posted on 8/3/21 at 11:42 am to NOSHAU
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Saw a report that we are one of the teams talking to Danny Green.
yes please. 41% 3 past 3 years.
eta: he's got a cool last name.
This post was edited on 8/3/21 at 11:43 am
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Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:05 pm to duyp
As a Kansas fan, I've probably watched more games of Devonte Graham than most, and am selfishly excited that he's coming here. I can understand why some are upset about the first round pick, but here's my breakdown on him:
He can flat out shoot. Shot almost 37% last year, but also started the year extremely slow. Improved as the season went on and his confidence and understanding of the NBA game grew. He doesn't have to be a ball-dominant guy to help his team. As a junior at KU, he played as the off-guard with the Naismith Player of the Year, but still was the one taking the big shots at the end of games ( KU vs WVU). If the Pels run more Point Zion this year, Devonte should be able to knock down open shots. He's confident and passionate. Loved by fans and teammates everywhere he's been.
He needs to improve a little defensively in the NBA, and sometimes can be a streaky shooter. That doesn't affect his confidence and he'll take a big shot if it's needed. Overall, great value at $12M, though I do understand if you think a first round pick is too much to give up for him, but think you'll end up loving him.
He can flat out shoot. Shot almost 37% last year, but also started the year extremely slow. Improved as the season went on and his confidence and understanding of the NBA game grew. He doesn't have to be a ball-dominant guy to help his team. As a junior at KU, he played as the off-guard with the Naismith Player of the Year, but still was the one taking the big shots at the end of games ( KU vs WVU). If the Pels run more Point Zion this year, Devonte should be able to knock down open shots. He's confident and passionate. Loved by fans and teammates everywhere he's been.
He needs to improve a little defensively in the NBA, and sometimes can be a streaky shooter. That doesn't affect his confidence and he'll take a big shot if it's needed. Overall, great value at $12M, though I do understand if you think a first round pick is too much to give up for him, but think you'll end up loving him.
Posted on 8/3/21 at 12:06 pm to WuShock
Awesome to hear 
Posted on 8/5/21 at 4:25 pm to WuShock
A more interesting note for Grahm is that prior to Lamelo coming and taking some of his possessions
he shot 37% from 3 averaged 8ast and 18ppg.
That's very good
he shot 37% from 3 averaged 8ast and 18ppg.
That's very good
This post was edited on 8/5/21 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 8/5/21 at 5:43 pm to The_Duke
Not many talking about how he averaged 18 and 8 in his 2nd year. If that loser Tim Hardaway Jr signs with us then it's a great off season but not much we can about that now.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 8:43 am to saintslsupels
Graham’s contract
21-22: $11,000,000
22-23: $11,550,000
23-24: $12,100,000
24-25: $12,650,000
Final season is $2,850,000 guaranteed.
21-22: $11,000,000
22-23: $11,550,000
23-24: $12,100,000
24-25: $12,650,000
Final season is $2,850,000 guaranteed.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 8:54 am to cgrand
Wow. That's an incredible value.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 8:56 am to cgrand
I still struggle to understand how we got him for this little money.
I know that we talk a lot about how some of the advanced metrics say that he's a better player than Lonzo, but I hadn't noticed how 538's RAPTOR indicates that Graham improved significantly on defense last season.
This board hates David Griffin right now, but I can't wait to see how the team does next season, as I am much more optimistic than many of you, and I think many of you are still listening to the media talking heads blabbering about Lonzo more than you're actually looking at the player than Graham is.
I know that we talk a lot about how some of the advanced metrics say that he's a better player than Lonzo, but I hadn't noticed how 538's RAPTOR indicates that Graham improved significantly on defense last season.
This board hates David Griffin right now, but I can't wait to see how the team does next season, as I am much more optimistic than many of you, and I think many of you are still listening to the media talking heads blabbering about Lonzo more than you're actually looking at the player than Graham is.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 10:15 am to GOP_Tiger
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I still struggle to understand how we got him for this little money.
And Charlotte wouldn’t have matched.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 10:31 am to GOP_Tiger
Graham is not a good defender though and his size limits his ceiling and this team will likely be worse defensively unless Ingram and Zion step up.
Graham is maybe a slightly better overall defender than Bled, but I’m not sure that’s certain. NAW a notably worse defender than Lonzo. JV a worse defender than Adams.
The question will really be can the potentially better offensive synergy override the lack of defense? And is Willie Green a coach that can unlock it?
Your sold, I’m personally skeptical this team will be much better than what I suspect last years squad could have been with a proper offseason and health.
Graham is maybe a slightly better overall defender than Bled, but I’m not sure that’s certain. NAW a notably worse defender than Lonzo. JV a worse defender than Adams.
The question will really be can the potentially better offensive synergy override the lack of defense? And is Willie Green a coach that can unlock it?
Your sold, I’m personally skeptical this team will be much better than what I suspect last years squad could have been with a proper offseason and health.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 10:43 am to GOP_Tiger
There's a lot to like about this deal. Graham is pretty much paid like a high end 6th man.
Graham is good enough to start since he can score, space, protect the basketball, and playmake at a high level. But he also does not have any issues coming off the bench if needed. This allows for flexibility over time.
Once Kira develops and earns a starting spot over time, Graham would make a great 6th man and he would be fine in that role if we go in that direction. Or of they decide to bring in a true lead guard, it won't be an issue with him.
He's a very attractive moveable asset if we want to move him at some point.
Graham is good enough to start since he can score, space, protect the basketball, and playmake at a high level. But he also does not have any issues coming off the bench if needed. This allows for flexibility over time.
Once Kira develops and earns a starting spot over time, Graham would make a great 6th man and he would be fine in that role if we go in that direction. Or of they decide to bring in a true lead guard, it won't be an issue with him.
He's a very attractive moveable asset if we want to move him at some point.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 10:49 am to GOP_Tiger
quote:Likely because no one was offering him more.
I still struggle to understand how we got him for this little money.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 10:54 am to supe12sta12z
How do you know that Graham is ok coming off the bench? He was likely promised the starting role.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 10:58 am to LouisianaJoseph
Because he openly said he was ok coming off the bench last season which he did and had no issues.
Besides, you think they promised him a starting spot when they were going after Lowry and Paul at the same time?
Besides, you think they promised him a starting spot when they were going after Lowry and Paul at the same time?
This post was edited on 8/8/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 8/8/21 at 11:01 am to Bronc
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Graham is maybe a slightly better overall defender than Bled, but I’m not sure that’s certain. NAW a notably worse defender than Lonzo. JV a worse defender than Adams.
Did you watch any pelican games last year?
Posted on 8/8/21 at 11:13 am to DaTruth225
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Did you watch any pelican games last year?
Every one of them, and a good chunk of Charlotte games here and there as well. You?
Have you ever watched a game of Devonte Graham? Start to finish?
I suspect, if we had a poly test, 98% of the board would be unable to say yes. And this isn’t me calling myself an expert, my time watching him was maybe a half dozen games that weren’t involving the Pels.
A quick search though shows all of one poster, one poster, that made even a passing comment about Graham as a player that we should go after in FA prior to the rumors….And that post was downvoted.
Feels like a lot of people doing to Graham and JV what they did to Bled and Adams last offseason and placing really unrealistic expectations onto them.
This post was edited on 8/8/21 at 11:23 am
Posted on 8/8/21 at 11:23 am to Bronc
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Have you ever watched a game of Devonte Graham? Start to finish?
I suspect, if we had a poly test, 98% of the board would be unable to say yes.
I’d never heard of him before the trade
Regardless, if he’s a legit nba player that’s a good 2nd contract
I suspect he is a legit nba player. So, good player on a good contract.
No reason for the fans to melt prematurely
Whether he’s a good fit here nobody can say until they see it
Posted on 8/8/21 at 11:30 am to cgrand
To be clear I like Graham and think he is and will be better than a cursory glance at his numbers and games suggest. I don’t like giving up a first but I do like the contract and the player fit. Even if I think he ultimately should probably be a sixth man on a championship team.
But I think some of the expectations and assumed improvements are getting a bit out of hand.
Too much exaggerating of how bad the players going out are and too much exaggerating how good the players coming in are.
I think a lot of factors suggest that on a whole we should be better than last season, though I think less of it will have to do with personnel and more to do with internal growth and not having an insane season and no offseason to prep for it.
But I think some of the expectations and assumed improvements are getting a bit out of hand.
Too much exaggerating of how bad the players going out are and too much exaggerating how good the players coming in are.
I think a lot of factors suggest that on a whole we should be better than last season, though I think less of it will have to do with personnel and more to do with internal growth and not having an insane season and no offseason to prep for it.
This post was edited on 8/8/21 at 11:31 am
Posted on 8/8/21 at 11:30 am to supe12sta12z
Yeah, because they struck out on those deals.
Posted on 8/8/21 at 11:32 am to LouisianaJoseph
So you say it isn't plausible that they wanted to add Graham as a 6th man and Paul or Lowry as the lead guard? Right.
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