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re: Deadspin article about Pels
Posted on 1/5/19 at 11:18 am to shel311
Posted on 1/5/19 at 11:18 am to shel311
Suri wasnt the one that misdiagnosed it, his boss was and his boss was the one that was released from both Saints and Pels..
Thank you for assuming k didnt read the article because I made a statement about our injuries from this season only though..
Thank you for assuming k didnt read the article because I made a statement about our injuries from this season only though..
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Posted on 1/5/19 at 12:18 pm to Them
So The Bensons haven’t spent the money for better infrastructure.
Shocking
ETA: this is clear as day to anyone who can be objective. I’ve said multiple times the Bensons don’t give a shite about the Pels, and league execs say the same thing.
Shocking
ETA: this is clear as day to anyone who can be objective. I’ve said multiple times the Bensons don’t give a shite about the Pels, and league execs say the same thing.
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 1/5/19 at 12:27 pm to shel311
quote:
1 dude was fired from the Saints for a history of botched things, including misdiagnosing a broken leg as a bone bruise. That same dude stayed on with the Pels.
This is 100% incorrect. Dr. Suri was the new junior member of the team and his firing from the Saints was collateral damage from the senior doctor not doing a good job. I still don't like the optics that lead to Dr. Suri getting the job, the Pels keeping the doctor of the corporate sponsor while the Saints tried to find someone better.
That being said we have no evidence of Dr. Suri being tied in anyway to the poor practices of the past. Again, he's a medical doctor and he's on the bench at games looking at players instead of the old way of having a football trainer rub some dirt on it. I will say that these new injury protocols seem over protective in some ways, but it's better than the old way that got Jrue an extra year on the shelf and almost killed QPon.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 1:11 pm to TigerinATL
If the Bensons were serious about the Pels, Loomis wouldn’t be in charge.
As posted in another thread, in the fricking gameday program for the Pels, 7 paragraphs about Loomis’ football accomplishments. The Pels are nothing but a secondary priority to ownership. To be fair, that’s the smart business decision, but as a NBA fan, I don’t like it. That’s why I’d love it to see a partner come in.
I don’t blame Davis if he wants to leave at all. I do take issue with petty fans who refuse to see the obvious about ownership.
As posted in another thread, in the fricking gameday program for the Pels, 7 paragraphs about Loomis’ football accomplishments. The Pels are nothing but a secondary priority to ownership. To be fair, that’s the smart business decision, but as a NBA fan, I don’t like it. That’s why I’d love it to see a partner come in.
I don’t blame Davis if he wants to leave at all. I do take issue with petty fans who refuse to see the obvious about ownership.
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 1/5/19 at 1:24 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Posted on 1/5/19 at 2:53 pm to Soggymoss
Impressive, now the Pels are only 5 years behind most the league.
Stop pretending this organization is anywhere near elite.
As quoted in the NBC Sports article, even other execs can see ownership only cares about the Saints.
You Yats have your heads in the sand.
Stop pretending this organization is anywhere near elite.
As quoted in the NBC Sports article, even other execs can see ownership only cares about the Saints.
You Yats have your heads in the sand.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 3:09 pm to ThanosIsADemocrat
Well, the Bensons just bought the team about 6 and a half years ago, and you dont put all these things together overnight, so you can expect them to be behind a little...
This team is leaps and bounds better off than they were before Tom and Gayle bought it.
This team is leaps and bounds better off than they were before Tom and Gayle bought it.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 3:48 pm to Soggymoss
quote:
You Yats have your heads in the sand.
frick off.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 3:58 pm to Soggymoss
When you’re forced to get a GLeague team because the NBA is about to make mandatory,that’s not impressive.
A new practice facility? Probably a condition of sale.
That’s not jumping to the top of the league...it’s barely keeping up with the Jones’s...
This ownership group isn’t special. It’s bottom 5 in the league. NBA circles all acknowledge this, but you’re trying to make some arguement that they are a good group..:because the Saints? gtfo with that noise.
A new practice facility? Probably a condition of sale.
That’s not jumping to the top of the league...it’s barely keeping up with the Jones’s...
This ownership group isn’t special. It’s bottom 5 in the league. NBA circles all acknowledge this, but you’re trying to make some arguement that they are a good group..:because the Saints? gtfo with that noise.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 4:29 pm to Soggymoss
To win big in the NBA, especially in small markets, you need to create every possible advantage you can. The goal is to be #1 of 30. And if that weren't hard enough, when you are in a small market, you start off the competition with a smaller margin of error.
So, ownership being "not bad" or "better than before" when they were atrocious is simply not good enough. If you spent one day in the offices in say OKC or San Antonio, the difference between the way their franchises are run from top to bottom vs. how the Pels do things would blow you away.
I will accept the argument that they aren't terrible. That is could be worse. But that means nothing to me. It's a business that is worth 600 million - 1 billion dollars. Hire a freaking President and VP of the company that don't have another job that takes priority. Thats the very least you can do.
So, ownership being "not bad" or "better than before" when they were atrocious is simply not good enough. If you spent one day in the offices in say OKC or San Antonio, the difference between the way their franchises are run from top to bottom vs. how the Pels do things would blow you away.
I will accept the argument that they aren't terrible. That is could be worse. But that means nothing to me. It's a business that is worth 600 million - 1 billion dollars. Hire a freaking President and VP of the company that don't have another job that takes priority. Thats the very least you can do.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:12 pm to Crewz
I agree they could use a POBO, but the Bensons being new in the NBA world is just like when they bought the Saints, it took awhile to figure it out and get everything in place to have it running smoothly..
They will spend the money needed, will they lose money? Maybe not, but they dont make a ton off the Pelicans as it is.
Maybe this April will be when you see big changes in the front office, as I personally think Loomis will be turning over GM duties of the Saints to Ireland, and getting more involved in the entirety of the business (dont forget he also has shares in both the Pelicans and Saints that were left to him by Tom).. We might've seen that shakeup happen this past offseason, but with Tom's death they may not have wanted to stir up things to much so soon.
They will spend the money needed, will they lose money? Maybe not, but they dont make a ton off the Pelicans as it is.
Maybe this April will be when you see big changes in the front office, as I personally think Loomis will be turning over GM duties of the Saints to Ireland, and getting more involved in the entirety of the business (dont forget he also has shares in both the Pelicans and Saints that were left to him by Tom).. We might've seen that shakeup happen this past offseason, but with Tom's death they may not have wanted to stir up things to much so soon.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:19 pm to Soggymoss
Again, you are describing a situation that would be 'Not bad'
Let me give you an example of a fantastic situation -
A POBO that has a long history in both business and basketball who brings in a VP who has the same. Collectively, they hire a GM after an exhaustive search and those three people see eye to eye on the type of franchise they want to be, how they want to build, what culture they want to have, and what things they refuse to tolerate or take shortcuts on.
Then, they hire a coach that shares that vision. All four are on the same page. Not saying they agree on personnel all the time, but they share the same vision on culture and attitude and the process they will take to get to where they want to go.
That is great. Sounds like you don't mind settling for "not bad", which is definitely better than what has been here the last 10-15 years. But that doesn't make it okay to settle for that
Let me give you an example of a fantastic situation -
A POBO that has a long history in both business and basketball who brings in a VP who has the same. Collectively, they hire a GM after an exhaustive search and those three people see eye to eye on the type of franchise they want to be, how they want to build, what culture they want to have, and what things they refuse to tolerate or take shortcuts on.
Then, they hire a coach that shares that vision. All four are on the same page. Not saying they agree on personnel all the time, but they share the same vision on culture and attitude and the process they will take to get to where they want to go.
That is great. Sounds like you don't mind settling for "not bad", which is definitely better than what has been here the last 10-15 years. But that doesn't make it okay to settle for that
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:39 pm to Crewz
What I mean by Loomis getting more involved in the entirety of the business is being involved in all of the business dealings of the Benson's..
Avery Johnson is a good friend of Gayle and very well could be taking over the Pels
Avery Johnson is a good friend of Gayle and very well could be taking over the Pels
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:39 pm to Crewz
Off topicish,I’d love to see a guy like Mashburn would be interested in returning to the basketball world.
He nearly checks all the boxes already.
He nearly checks all the boxes already.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 8:17 pm to Crewz
quote:Does OKC even have a POBO? Doesn't Presti handle GM and Exec VP? Are we getting a bit too into titles? Loomis handles the business side of the operations. Demps and Ferry handle the basketball operations. The difference is that Presti is just that much better than Demps.
If you spent one day in the offices in say OKC or San Antonio, the difference between the way their franchises are run from top to bottom vs. how the Pels do things would blow you away.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 8:49 pm to NOSHAU
I love the downvotes when I suggest Jamal would be a great pres.
And yeah P/VP doesn’t matter, but bottom line, Demps answers to Loomis who takes Ferry’s advice from time to time.
Football guy has final say so.
If that doesn’t bother you, you’re not an NBA fan.
And yeah P/VP doesn’t matter, but bottom line, Demps answers to Loomis who takes Ferry’s advice from time to time.
Football guy has final say so.
If that doesn’t bother you, you’re not an NBA fan.
Posted on 1/6/19 at 7:19 am to NOSHAU
The difference is that a merely competent organization wouldn't be okay with a Dell Demps running the show for as long as he has given his results.
You can quibble with titles. Crewz's point still stands- it's a poorly run organization because, at the end of the day, ownership just doesn't particularly care. That attitude bleeds down and is in the DNA of everything they do
You can quibble with titles. Crewz's point still stands- it's a poorly run organization because, at the end of the day, ownership just doesn't particularly care. That attitude bleeds down and is in the DNA of everything they do
Posted on 1/6/19 at 7:28 am to corndeaux
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ownership just doesn't particularly care
I don't think that's true, or at least needs to be more specific with regards to winning at a high level. All indications are that Dell Demps is good at running a profitable NBA team. In an era where about the only way to lose money is to be a non contending tax payer that may not be saying much, but they've kept him around this long for a reason.
Also, many of the beat writers say him pulling off the Mirotic trade saved his job which meant his job was in danger prior to the trade. Is that about winning or money (bad investment)? It's hard to say.
This post was edited on 1/6/19 at 7:30 am
Posted on 1/6/19 at 8:39 am to TigerinATL
quote:
regards to winning at a high level.
more like just winning
quote:
running a profitable NBA team. In an era where about the only way to lose money is to be a non contending tax payer that may not be saying much
this is a pretty self-defeating argument given
1- we care about being in the black.
2- given current league economics, any dummy can keep an NBA team in the black.
3- this dummy has it figured out. ergo, let's leave this on auto-pilot
quote:
they've kept him around this long for a reason
it would be a bother and take actual work to hire a replacement. when is there time for that (and can we really deal with the distraction?) when there's a football team and horse races to worry about?
Posted on 1/6/19 at 9:11 am to TigerinATL
I'm not gonna pretend I'm some expert that knows how to optimally run an NBA organization from a profit perspective, but from this lay observer that does work in corporate financial management, I have a very hard time seeing how the Dell model is anything to write home about personally.
His entire philosophy has been predicated on trading off lower, often times more exciting(from a fans perspective) up and coming talent on cheap deals for guys coming into their second or third contracts, thus pushing your payroll up to and into the lottery threshold, all without a whole lot of success to show for it. As ticket prices are still relatively below average and attendance is in the bottom quarter of the league. Merchandise sales don't seem to be anything to write home about since we are never in the top 15 lists of team merchandise and AD himself still isn't in the top 20. Now I'm not sure how the team's corporate sponsorship, suite sales, and arena revenue contribute, but I can't imagine Demps is blowing the doors off the hinges there either. And there is probably a reason that as recent as 2016 we are the lowest valued franchise in the league with a majority of our revenue coming from the league.
His entire philosophy has been predicated on trading off lower, often times more exciting(from a fans perspective) up and coming talent on cheap deals for guys coming into their second or third contracts, thus pushing your payroll up to and into the lottery threshold, all without a whole lot of success to show for it. As ticket prices are still relatively below average and attendance is in the bottom quarter of the league. Merchandise sales don't seem to be anything to write home about since we are never in the top 15 lists of team merchandise and AD himself still isn't in the top 20. Now I'm not sure how the team's corporate sponsorship, suite sales, and arena revenue contribute, but I can't imagine Demps is blowing the doors off the hinges there either. And there is probably a reason that as recent as 2016 we are the lowest valued franchise in the league with a majority of our revenue coming from the league.
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